What Do We Do if we get no big name tree agents?

[Jingled]

If we can't sign top FAs then we need to trade for them, so if we miss on big FAs we could tank the crap out of the first half of the season so that our draft pick is in the lottery at the trade deadline (I think picks are going to be over-valued because of the last draft lottery). Then at the trade deadline we could actually have a shot at trading for an impact player. After the trade deadline, we try and make the 8 seed and even if we can't make it we are finally able to compete the following year.

I personally would be excited to watch a tanking team focused on development with DM getting PG reps, Allen playing 20 a night, and Royce working as a PF.

That's never going to happen. No way in hell the Jazz are going to tank half a season away.

 

[LoPo]

not only was that a ridiculous statement on its face, but when you consider the pragmatics of signing those three players (offers, cap holds, etc) it looks damn near impossible. In other words, CONTEXT matters. lmao.

The question was - which of those 3 would you like and I responded with the 3 I would take.

I don't know what guys will cost. If Korver retired, we could have $39 million. Maybe those 3 fit in that. Nobody knows.

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[NUMBERICA]

The question was - which of those 3 would you like and I responded with the 3 I would take.

I don't know what guys will cost. If Korver retired, we could have $39 million. Maybe those 3 fit in that. Nobody knows.

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I know that team isn't a contender. I'm pretty sure I'd rather run back last year's team over that.

 

[Keefe]

Harris can get 4/141M.

Gobert can get 5/247.32.

Right now, Wiggins makes 25.5M in the first year of his new contract which I believe is a max. So let’s say in year one of Donovan’s max, he earns 27M.

So in 2021-2022, Gobert’s first of his supermax of around 44M (ballpark), Donovan’s first in his new deal at about 27M, and Harris’ third year in his max which would be around 32M, the Jazz would have 103M committed to three players.

Are the Jazz really gonna do that?

The following year, we’d be at about 110M for those three guys.

 

[LoPo]

I know that team isn't a contender. I'm pretty sure I'd rather run back last year's team over that.

You are a fan and you have an opinion. I'm also a fan and I have an opinion. It's perfectly fine if we disagree.

I personally think Rozier has a ton of talent and heart. Randle is much of the same. I think his skill set would fit perfectly next to Gobert.



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[Keefe]

You are a fan and you have an opinion. I'm also a fan and I have an opinion. It's perfectly fine if we disagree.

I personally think Rozier has a ton of talent and heart. Randle is much of the same. I think his skill set would fit perfectly next to Gobert.



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I agree about Randle. Rozier, not so much.

 

[NUMBERICA]

You are a fan and you have an opinion. I'm also a fan and I have an opinion. It's perfectly fine if we disagree.

I personally think Rozier has a ton of talent and heart. Randle is much of the same. I think his skill set would fit perfectly next to Gobert.



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And Favors?

 

[LoPo]

And Favors?

I like what he provides on and off the court. Is he as necessary with Randle here? No. However, I'm not sold on Gobert on a supermax. If we re-sign Favors on a long term affordable deal and we decide to move Gobert instead of overpay him, we will be glad we kept Favors.

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[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Harris can get 4/141M.

Gobert can get 5/247.32.

Right now, Wiggins makes 25.5M in the first year of his new contract which I believe is a max. So let’s say in year one of Donovan’s max, he earns 27M.

So in 2021-2022, Gobert’s first of his supermax of around 44M (ballpark), Donovan’s first in his new deal at about 27M, and Harris’ third year in his max which would be around 32M, the Jazz would have 103M committed to three players.

Are the Jazz really gonna do that?

The following year, we’d be at about 110M for those three guys.

I’m not a cap expert or anything, and you’re probably right, but other teams are doing it, hell I’ve heard the 76ers want to keep all 4 of there guys beyond Simmons rookie deal, so why can’t the jazz have three max guys?

 

[NUMBERICA]

I like what he provides on and off the court. Is he as necessary with Randle here? No. However, I'm not sold on Gobert on a supermax. If we re-sign Favors on a long term affordable deal and we decide to move Gobert instead of overpay him, we will be glad we kept Favors.

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I'm not looking forward to the idea that Gobert is paid the supermax. I however know that there's two years between now and then, we have a very good team NOW, and we won't get equal value on a trade from Gobert anyway. He is the heart and soul of the team, and he's a great player (otherwise he wouldn't qualify for his deal). Furthermore, once Donovan is paid, this team will be capped out and Gobert will be eating space between that and the LT, and the Jazz would be lucky to have the players that would push them above the LT (provided they're not blowing serious money on more Exums).

Lastly and perhaps most importantly: we don't know that he will demand that contract. He might if we don't make serious moves to improve.

There is no can to kick after this off-season. If we're trading away the franchise, we might as well go full rebuild.

I would much rather let everyone walk, keep Korver (if he's going to play) and trade a 1st for Conley and absorb that contract if we strike out on serious players. That quarter is better than your collection of dimes.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Harris can get 4/141M.

Gobert can get 5/247.32.

Right now, Wiggins makes 25.5M in the first year of his new contract which I believe is a max. So let’s say in year one of Donovan’s max, he earns 27M.

So in 2021-2022, Gobert’s first of his supermax of around 44M (ballpark), Donovan’s first in his new deal at about 27M, and Harris’ third year in his max which would be around 32M, the Jazz would have 103M committed to three players.

Are the Jazz really gonna do that?

The following year, we’d be at about 110M for those three guys.

A team is lucky to have a real big 3 and that is still well below the cap. The answer is likely yes. I am also not convinced that Gobert will demand the supermax (at least not if the organization can show some stones and make some magic happen).

 

[LoPo]

I'm not looking forward to the idea that Gobert is paid the supermax. I however know that there's two years between now and then, we have a very good team NOW, and we won't get equal value on a trade from Gobert anyway. He is the heart and soul of the team, and he's a great player (otherwise he wouldn't qualify for his deal). Furthermore, once Donovan is paid, this team will be capped out and Gobert will be eating space between that and the LT, and the Jazz would be lucky to have the players that would push them above the LT (provided they're not blowing serious money on more Exums).

Lastly and perhaps most importantly: we don't know that he will demand that contract. He might if we don't make serious moves to improve.

There is no can to kick after this off-season. If we're trading away the franchise, we might as well go full rebuild.

I would much rather let everyone walk, keep Korver (if he's going to play) and trade a 1st for Conley and absorb that contract if we strike out on serious players. That quarter is better than your collection of dimes.

You make great points.

I'm being more devil's advocate here. Many of us talk often about missed opportunities. Well, Gobert is at his all time highest value this summer due to production and contract. If we don't want to pay him the supermax $40+ in 2021, we should trade him before the deadline to maximize value. We cant afford to lose him for nothing or peanuts.

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[Jingled]

I’m not a cap expert or anything, and you’re probably right, but other teams are doing it, hell I’ve heard the 76ers want to keep all 4 of there guys beyond Simmons rookie deal, so why can’t the jazz have three max guys?

They can as long as the Millers are willing to pay the luxury tax for a few years.

 

[NUMBERICA]

You make great points.

I'm being more devil's advocate here. Many of us talk often about missed opportunities. Well, Gobert is at his all time highest value this summer due to production and contract. If we don't want to pay him the supermax $40+ in 2021, we should trade him before the deadline to maximize value. We cant afford to lose him for nothing or peanuts.

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If this team isn't willing to really fight to get better then you're right, but they should also sell the team and move to Seattle at that point, too.

 

[LoPo]

If this team isn't willing to really fight to get better then you're right, but they should also sell the team and move to Seattle at that point, too.

I think the emergence of Donovan has given the franchise the direction it needs. I also believe that Favors could be a good center for us. Not as good as Gobert, but if Gobert was turned into great improvements at other positions, then we could be better without him.

I think we can build a team around Donovan that doesn't have to have Gobert to be a contender. With that being the case, why pay Gobert 35% of our salary?

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[Knowledgeofmine]

Who this year do you consider a tier 1 free agent? Let’s be a little more specific.

Good question. I'm putting tier one guys at the cutoff as Kemba. Obvious superstars like IF and Leonard are the prime FA but ya Kemba is my cutoff of Tier1

 

[Knowledgeofmine]

I think the emergence of Donovan has given the franchise the direction it needs. I also believe that Favors could be a good center for us. Not as good as Gobert, but if Gobert was turned into great improvements at other positions, then we could be better without him.

I think we can build a team around Donovan that doesn't have to have Gobert to be a contender. With that being the case, why pay Gobert 35% of our salary?

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This first post I have ever agree with you on. Jazz got DM to build around and that's a nice
Starting spot. I don't know what you get for Gobert but Favors at center is his natural position if you asked me. What do you think you could get for Gobert? Do you want players or picks?

 

[LoPo]

This first post I have ever agree with you on. Jazz got DM to build around and that's a nice
Starting spot. I don't know what you get for Gobert but Favors at center is his natural position if you asked me. What do you think you could get for Gobert? Do you want players or picks?

C'mon buddy. We agree more than that.

I don't think Gobert is the type guy who gets you a current star. For example, I don't think Gobert gets Beal or AD. However, I do think Gobert gets a promising young player and picks.

I don't know who is the perfect team to trade with, but I do think a trade should be considered especially if Gobert shows signs of wanting that supermax or frustration with the Jazz FO for not getting better enough.

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[infection]

Good question. I'm putting tier one guys at the cutoff as Kemba. Obvious superstars like IF and Leonard are the prime FA but ya Kemba is my cutoff of Tier1

So what you’re saying is that the Jazz won’t sign Durant, Leonard, Butler, or Kemba?

 

[Tragic66]

I’m not a cap expert or anything, and you’re probably right, but other teams are doing it, hell I’ve heard the 76ers want to keep all 4 of there guys beyond Simmons rookie deal, so why can’t the jazz have three max guys?

Other teams are happy to pay large amount of luxury tax, not so much the Jazz.