What Do We Do if we get no big name tree agents?

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by homeytennis, May 25, 2019.

  1. Roy_McAvoy

    Roy_McAvoy Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2018
    It seems there's a lot you don't understand about the way Hayward left that really hurt the Jazz going forward. Had he even demanded a trade at midseason or let the Jazz know he would be leaving sooner instead of stringing them a long until it was too late in free agency it would've been soooo much better.
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  2. Wes Mantooth

    Wes Mantooth Well-Known Member

    Jul 14, 2015
    How many guys do that? I can’t think of many. Or situations where the team does trade them thinking that said soon to be FA will walk.

    Teams hold out hope that they can make a playoff run, entice the player to stay, and so forth.

    Had we traded him, we wouldn’t have had a solid playoff run. Or maybe even made the playoffs. This might’ve changed Spida’s view on us as an organization and the fact that he wanted to be here.
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  3. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

    Dec 27, 2010
    What free agents have they signed?
    Hayward did what he felt was best for him. Again he didn’t owe us anything. He probably didn’t want to leave the team in a trade. I’m fine with that.
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  4. Roy_McAvoy

    Roy_McAvoy Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2018
    You can't think of many that have done that? For starters I'll name Paul George, Anthony Davis, Chris Paul, Demarcus Cousins, James Harden, Carmelo Anthony, James Harden..etc. All left their previous team in a better situation by letting them sooner that they wanted out.
  5. stitches

    stitches Well-Known Member

    Jul 8, 2014
    If we can't get a big time FA the options I like are 3:

    1. trade for long-term solution at the PG spot(Dinwiddie is the perfect target if BKN gets Kyrie and keep DLo)
    2. 1 year deals with players that will improve our rotation
    3. stay put, keep flexibility for next year(you might do this in conjunction with 2)

    The more I think about it the more I do NOT want us to trade long-term assets for someone like Conley or Lowry... We need long-term solution for the position, not rentals.
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  6. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

    Nov 4, 2010
    Kyrie is another.
    And kahwi
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  7. LoPo

    LoPo Well-Known Member

    Jun 7, 2016
    I think everyone needs to put together their top 10 scenario list. Maybe I'll create a thread about it.
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  8. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

    May 27, 2010
    I’d be perfectly happy with Dinwiddie and Jabari.
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  9. Roy_McAvoy

    Roy_McAvoy Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2018
    If we somehow ended up with those two guys out of this offseason I'd be very happy. I know the specifics around Dinwiddie and the Nets maybe needing to clear cap space, but I just can't see any scenario in which the Jazz realistically get him.
  10. jimmy eat jazz

    jimmy eat jazz Well-Known Member

    Jun 25, 2010
    I think this is most likely. In addition, I think we would try to pick up another PG and sign some other 2nd 3rd tier role players to fill in holes.

    While I hope it doesn't come to this, I'm not confident that we're going to land any difference maker FA. I'm mentally preparing myself for this outcome. Not necessarily that FO is not trying, but this is still, afterall, Utah. No amount of speculating/hoping that Utah is become a FA destination is going to remove the stigma Utah carries. It's real and it matters.
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  11. Wes Mantooth

    Wes Mantooth Well-Known Member

    Jul 14, 2015
    George and Davis I’ll give you. But at that point Indy wasn’t impressive and the Pels suck. We didn’t and it showed by winning a playoff series.

    The others I honestly don’t remember. Carmelo who gives a ****. Cousins was on the Pels who like I said stink. I don’t recall Paul but if he was that was a vastly different situation.

    Hayward was approaching his peak years on an improving hadn’t said anything, and maybe really didn’t know if he wanted to leave. Paul was a gristled vet who had failed time and again in the playoffs and needed a change in scenery.
  12. LoPo

    LoPo Well-Known Member

    Jun 7, 2016
    My prioritized lists

    1. Tobias
    2. Randle
    3. Jabari
    4. Keep Favors (this could happen with Jabari too I think)
    5. Mirotic/Rudy Gay/Thad Young

    1. Brogdon
    2. Russell
    3. Dinwiddie (I have Russell higher because it will take assets to get Dinwiddie)
    4. Rozier
    5. Beverley
    6. Conley (I have Rozier/Beverley higher because it will take assets to get Conley)

    1. Lamb
    2. Bojan Bogdanovic
    3. JJ Redick
    4. Hood
    5. Danny Green

    No brainer Bi-Annual Level or lower amount additions:
    Ed Davis
    Vince Carter

    I left Kemba, Kyrie, KD, AD, Klay, Kawhi, Beal, Middleton, etc. out because I just don't think they'll be in play for us. We can try, but I have little faith we can pull it off.
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  13. checkbookdoc

    checkbookdoc Well-Known Member

    Feb 28, 2017
    So your point is that you wish Hayward would have prioritized the Jazz organization over his own preferences/best interests? It would be nice if players would do that, but it is an unfair expectation (although I like the idea of Rudy signing for the minimum!).
    You are right that in the past there have been some players who let thier team know they were not going to resign, but not because they were worried about the team, but because it was best for the player (we usually refer to that situation as demanding a trade). Hayward didn't do the Jazz dirty any more than he did the Heat (or would have Boston if he came to us).
  14. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

    Nov 4, 2010
    He wouldn't be prioritizing the organization over himself to let us know he was going to leave. Wouldn't have impacted him at all one way or the other. just would have allowed us to go after guys to replace him in free agency.
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  15. Roy_McAvoy

    Roy_McAvoy Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2018
    Please. Hayward knew he was leaving all along. He just couldn’t man up and admit to the the Jazz. He still never personally told them.
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  16. Bawse Dawg

    Bawse Dawg Well-Known Member

    Feb 18, 2013
    I think we'll have an answer to this question by mid July, so stay tuned.

    I think at this point we are really only in the running to Harris, and we are far from the frontrunner.

    So I'm guessing we bring back Favors and make a move for someone like Conley.
  17. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

    Jun 13, 2014
    If we miss you sign a mix of guys to long term value deals or marketable guys (wings, 3 and D types) to one year overpay deals (1+1). Then when Philly wants to trade Tobias for parts because they have too much salary in ball dominant guys you can offer them a mix of players they'd like. Take some salary on for some assets... just not dead salary... get useful but overpaid guys. If Charlotte signs Kemba take Marvin Williams into space and get a first.

    If Toronto keep Kawhi I'd be interested in trading for Norman Powell.
  18. UtahJazz32

    UtahJazz32 Well-Known Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    Powell is meh, I see him play alot here in Toronto.
  19. Jazz Spazz

    Jazz Spazz Inconceivable Staff Member

    Aug 25, 2010
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  20. Joe Bagadonuts

    Joe Bagadonuts Well-Known Member

    Aug 23, 2010
    Sign this guy immediately!

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