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Woj bomb... AD to Lakers

Again, don't get me wrong. LeBron is great. He's had some good teams. He's had some atrocious teams. He took some of those teams pretty far. No different than many other superstars. Sure, LeBron didn't have the luck of a handful of players who either fell into the lap of a great team or were quickly surrounded by great players. That's fine.

But this narrative that he's a constant underdog and he's had nothing but horrible teammates and everyone gangs up on him is bordering on ludicrous. Especially when he is absolved on any responsibility for any of this. I mean, this is a man who for the past decade has picked his team, his teammates, and his coaches himself.
 
As a Jazz fan, my dislike for MJ needs no explanation or voicing, I would hope.

Yeah, LeBron went to 8 straight finals, 5 of which he lost. Sure, on talent alone, he might be the most gifted player to ever play basketball. But as an all-time great, he sure is difficult to build around, as evidenced by only 3 titles.

For all that I loathe Jordan, I do give him that he was so good, two completely different treble-winning teams were built around him. Hell, Duncan won 5 titles over 15 years with completely different players around him.

For all of LeBron's supposed greatness, you'd think you could just throw any number of players around him and he'd win. That he doesn't, regularly, is a damning indictment of him as a player and as a person.
Michael Jordan never did any serious winning without Phil Jackson and Scottie Pippen.
 
No, but he had to play the Celtics and the Pistons. Most great players weren't drafted onto stacked teams. Even Magic Johnson joined the Lakers after they just posted a fairly pedestrian 47-win season. It's preposterous to suggest that somehow LeBron James had it harder than any other superstar who ever played. LeBron bolted for South Beach when he was 25 because he just couldn't chill the **** out and wait to have a decent team put together around him. It's hard to not have crappy talent around you when you're forcing your team to trade all your picks to get you help immediately because you believe yourself entitled to a championship at twenty-****ing-five.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/draft.html

I mean, 5 of the 11 season LeBron played in Cleveland, they didn't have any draft picks! In other years, they simply traded guys away after drafting them. You can't really argue that the teams LeBron has been on have developed a single good young player while he was there. Or maybe I just can't remember one.

You know the kind of players Jordan played with when he was 25? Here's a sample of a starting lineup for the Bulls around that time:

Michael Jordan
Charles Oakley
Brad Sellers
Rory Sparrow
Mike Brown

That's a 4th and a 3rd round pick there. There aren't even that many rounds today! Brad Sellers was a lottery pick, but his 6.3 career PPG average tells you almost everything you need to know about him. You might argue that Oakley was a decent player who certainly had a very long career which included an ASG appearance(the year almost a dozen players made their only ASG appearance ever because the league was that bad), but at best, you could say that he was a player in Ilgauskas range. Borderline All-Star who was a decent defender but certainly nothing resembling a proper second option on offense.

Sure, Jordan would get better teammates later, but not the LeBron way. Grant and Pippen were both drafted by the Bulls. Hell, BJ Armstrong too, if you want to count him among "better teammates." They all had to be developed, nurtured. They had to be waited on. Or you can pressure your front office to trade everything even remotely resembling an asset to get Szczerbiak, Joe Smith, Ben Wallace, Shaq, and Antawn Jamison. All somewhere between 5 and 10 years past their primes.

Let's not pretend like LeBron's mediocre return on what it's supposed to be GOAT talent is all the result of bad luck, conspiracies, and other teams just plain being jerks. The man's patience is non-existent.
I have never heard that LeBron pressured the organization to biff for the first five years of his career. Not a peep.
 
This. Nor did he play anywhere near a Warriors type opponent
You mean arguably the best rosters ever assembled, only better than some of his Bulls teams?

By the way, Jordan had deep issues with the front office that got him those rosters. Bear in mind that the year Jordan left, The Bulls were a very good team.
 
You mean arguably the best rosters ever assembled, only better than some of his Bulls teams?

By the way, Jordan had deep issues with the front office that got him those rosters. Bear in mind that the year Jordan left, The Bulls were a very good team.

The Pippen / Kukoc team was solid. The teams LeBron has left win the lottery.

I still think Scottie Pippen is one of the most criminally underrated players ever
 
And Hakeem won the finals with Vernon Maxwell as his second option. Dispatched Drexler, Barkley, Stockton, Malone, and Ewing on the way. That's like 3rd team All-NBA All-Time kind of five.

Hakeem is the best center of all time in my opinion. So ya, hakeem is goat. So is Lebron. We agree


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He will drop off one of these next few years, it could be this year, it could be next year. He will degrade, it's just when

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I agree that he will get worse at some point. I was just saying that point has not arrived yet.


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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26991050/questions-wild-cards-bottom-lines-enormous-ad-trade
Why would Kuzma be available? They made him untouchable in a trade for a superstar you ****ing genius.

Seems like he wasnt untouchable.

In Saturday's reported deal, the Pelicans basically swapped out Kuzma and that cap relief in favor of extracting a third first-round pick and unprotected swap rights on the Lakers' 2023 first-rounder.

That is pretty low value for Kuzma.
 
Hakeem is probably the most skilled amongst the best centers in history.

But either Wilt or Kareem is the best of all time at the position.

IMO.
 
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