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Jazz front runner for Conley

NUMBERICA said:
I’m with you there (although it once again requires walking from Favors). I’m not sure the Jazz has that luxury, especially since other teams are probably thinking the same thing (particularly Boston).
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Assuming we land one of them yes. But I am okay with that. Those improve us enough to be worth it. Although I think we could clear enough to keep Favors and sign Russell. But if not we can find another PF and backup C no problem.
 
Mongoose said:
Break it down for me... How does he provide the Jazz the massive upgrade? Its not in points, its not in size, its not in assists, not athleticism, its not in rebounds. Everyone is talking like he's freaking batman... Does he beat people with his outwit ability? He looks like a really good savvy veteran to me, he looks like he can be difficult for opposing players at times because hes left handed. He doesn't look like a superstar to me, but that is how he is being discussed. How many superstar players are on 30 win teams?
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Dude do you watch or understand basketball ?

Conley breaks down defenses can create his own shot drive the lane run the point has mastery of the pick roll and plays great d. Since DWill he will be our best pg offering in a huge while
 
Ron Mexico said:
I really would rather us look into Conley after FA. That might not be an option though. Russell and or Tobias would be much better options for the Jazz. Conley is a good option after that.
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I agree, and maybe that's just the fan in me who wants to enjoy the free agency period thinking we have a chance at guys. But I also don't see what leverage the Grizzlies really have to make us do it now.

And while I like the Conley addition, I'm not going to be furious if we don't get him or something. As much as LoPo and others overstate it, there are legitimate flags that would have me going into next year pretty nervous if we went all in on him.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
I agree, and maybe that's just the fan in me who wants to enjoy the free agency period thinking we have a chance at guys. But I also don't see what leverage the Grizzlies really have to make us do it now.

And while I like the Conley addition, I'm not going to be furious if we don't get him or something. As much as LoPo and others overstate it, there are legitimate flags that would have me going into next year pretty nervous if we went all in on him.
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Their leverage is that they are going to trade him to another team draft day regardless. So we miss out on him and he isnt an option later. That sounds like what they might do. Get the best deal they can for him on draft day. I am guessing they want picks and they want to make the pick.
 
framer said:
Except you aren't choosing between Harris, Conley, or Dlo. You are choosing between Conley and a CHANCE of Harris or DLo. One is a sure damn thing, With the others, we need to sacrifice first, THEN see what we get. Like a freaking scratcher ticket. If you have the opportunity to guarantee yourself a third titan, you do it, especially if the other options aren't guaranteed. Also, right now, Conley is the better player of the three.
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This is correct.
 
Mongoose said:
Break it down for me... How does he provide the Jazz the massive upgrade? Its not in points, its not in size, its not in assists, not athleticism, its not in rebounds. Everyone is talking like he's freaking batman... Does he beat people with his outwit ability? He looks like a really good savvy veteran to me, he looks like he can be difficult for opposing players at times because hes left handed. He doesn't look like a superstar to me, but that is how he is being discussed. How many superstar players are on 30 win teams?
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He won as many games as Anthony Davis and Jrue Holiday, so they can’t be all that great either.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Nope.

The Jazz can absorb Conley’s salary outright if need be. Teams under the cap don’t have to match outgoing salaries with incoming salaries.
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Isnt that only if we can stay under the cap with the incoming salary? We cant absorb him outright unless we include Exum and Bradley, Ingles, or waive Favors. We only have 16 million cap room if we give up the cap holds on everyone. Conley is 26 million.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/cap/
 
Ron Mexico said:
Their leverage is that they are going to trade him to another team draft day regardless. So we miss out on him and he isnt an option later. That sounds like what they might do. Get the best deal they can for him on draft day. I am guessing they want picks and they want to make the pick.
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Meh, I'm not interested in getting into a bidding war. If someone wants to beat our offer then let them do it. Before or after the draft.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Isnt that only if we can stay under the cap with the incoming salary? We cant absorb him outright unless we include Exum and Bradley, Ingles, or waive Favors. We only have 16 million cap room if we give up the cap holds on everyone. Conley is 26 million.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/cap/
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Ron Mexico said:
Isnt that only if we can stay under the cap with the incoming salary? We cant absorb him outright unless we include Exum and Bradley, Ingles, or waive Favors. We only have 16 million cap room if we give up the cap holds on everyone. Conley is 26 million.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/cap/
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That page is a mess. I use http://www.shamsports.com/capulator and would recommend everyone else does.

Declining every option, waiving every non-guaranteed player, and renouncing their rights* puts the Jazz at $32.7 million in capspace by my estimation (we don’t actually know what the cap will be heading into the offseason, although the number I’ve heard most projected is $109 million). That amount would likely be a max slot (for a player of up to 9 years of experience) or could absorb Conley outright.

If you can toss any guarantees salary in the deal, that would become spendable capspace. If you put Exum in the deal and stretch Korver, that gives the Jazz close to $15 million in cap space AFTER the trade. They would also still have the room exception of ~$4 million a year (which cannot be combined with capspace to make a larger figure).

*That means no Favors, Rubio, Neto, Thabo, Udoh, and whoever else I’m forgetting.
 
SCS said:
Tony Jones tweets today scream of the Jazz keeping Favs if they do trade for Conley.
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Not sure how that’s gonna work... have to cobble together like 26M in salary... can’t really do it unless the guarantee Korver, Neto, and include them both... I’m not sure that is even enough.
 
LoPo said:
Multiple sources confirmed it. https://www.deseretnews.com/article...does-not-want-to-get-traded-to-utah-jazz.htmlhttps://www.deseretnews.com/article...does-not-want-to-get-traded-to-utah-jazz.html

Conley did the PR move and refuted it, but the agent said it.
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Nowhere in that article did it prove that his agent came out and said Conley didn’t want to come here. This is not some minor detail.

I’m familiar with what went on at the trade deadline. Your assertions regarding this are simply, factually incorrect. At least to this point.
 
Udidthizz said:
He won as many games as Anthony Davis and Jrue Holiday, so they can’t be all that great either.
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So AD played like half the year and yeah I wouldn’t call Holiday a superstar. I didn’t say I don’t think Conley isn’t all that great, I said I don’t think he’s a superstar like everyone is talking about. He’s like a fringe all star kinda like Hayward so far in his career... hell I think Hayward is probably a better player than Conley and he’s what 4 or 5 years younger?


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NUMBERICA said:
Nowhere in that article did it prove that his agent came out and said Conley didn’t want to come here.
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So you are calling 2 reporters liars who both corroborated the other's account of the conversation with the agent?

And why would two reporters come out of nowhere on the same exact day to quote the exact agent the exact same quote?
 
We just saw the Lakers who are like free agent destination #1 historically opt for the certainty of the AD trade even though they could have had significant cap space... but we think we should pass on the guy with almost the ideal perfect skill set that we need because maybe we can win in free agency. If the Conley deal is there at a reasonable cost... then you absolutely do it without hesitation.
 
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