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Tobias Harris wants to come to utah

Jingled said:
Lineup data suggest that we were better with Joe Johnson and Gobert on the floor together when Johnson was here than Gobert and Favors. Johnson wasn't any good on D but our defense was still fine when he was on the floor and our offense was much better. And Tobias is much better than Johnson was at that stage of his career.
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Also better with Crowder and gobert than favors and gobert.
Crazy to me that some people still don't get it

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Darkwing Duck said:
Are you talking about the year when Favors was injured for basically the entirety of it?
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You could look at last year too but replace jj with Crowder
Kinda seems like if you put someone other than favors next to gobert at the 4 who can shoot then the jazz are better.
Tobias harris shot 40% from 3 last year (even better before he went to Philly). 49% from the field and 87% from the line

Our starting lineup would be amazing with Tobias

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Ron Mexico said:
Yep, a PG that can shoot and create was a much much bigger need for the team than another PF.
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A. Not just another pf. A power forward who can shoot and create.
B. A point who can shoot and create is easier to find than a power forward who can. It's kind of in the job description for a point guard. The jazz just stupidly decided to get one who couldn't shoot in the trade for Rubio.
In fact, I believe Mitchell can shoot and create.

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fishonjazz said:
Also better with Crowder and gobert than favors and gobert.
Crazy to me that some people still don't get it

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Except that when Gobert and Favors played with a PG that could shoot that data flipped. Crazy that people dont see how big of an issue Rubio was. When Mitchell or Neto was PG Favors/Gobert combo was better than Gobert/Crowder.

We also were better with Favors at Center over Gobert last year with the same starting lineup. Does that mean Favors is better than Gobert? Favors Gobert together were also better together last year in the playoffs against OKC and Rockets then either were with Crowder paired with either of them.
 
fishonjazz said:
A. Not just another pf. A power forward who can shoot and create.
B. A point who can shoot and create is easier to find than a power forward who can. It's kind of in the job description for a point guard. The jazz just stupidly decided to get one who couldn't shoot in the trade for Rubio.
In fact, I believe Mitchell can shoot and create.

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I dont think a PF that can create is very important at all. Yes, you can find plenty of PGs that can shoot and create but not at a high level like Conley. There are none available that we could get this year besides Conley and Russell. There are tons of good PFs on the FA market this year that can shoot well and even some that can create. Taking pressure off and Mitchell and creating space for him was the biggest priority. I would also have been okay with switching Mitchell to PG and finding a really good SG as well but I am not sure who that would have been.
 
Favors has been awesome for us and is a good player. Tobias, especially with Conley at the helm, fits us perfectly.

Adding Conley to Favors makes us a contender for the West Finals. Adding Conley and Tobias, and we are a championship contender.

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Ron Mexico said:
Except that when Gobert and Favors played with a PG that could shoot that data flipped. Crazy that people dont see how big of an issue Rubio was.
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Crowder and gobert played with Rubio too doe.
Also it's quite telling that favors played 23 minutes per game. Quin an idiot apparently.

Also telling that freaking grandpa Joe Johnson was better next to gobert than favors.

The part about favors being better than gobert doesn't really matter cause gobert is our center.

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Ron Mexico said:
I dont think a PF that can create is very important at all. Yes, you can find plenty of PGs that can shoot and create but not at a high level like Conley. There are none available that we could get this year besides Conley and Russell. There are tons of good PFs on the FA market this year that can shoot well and even some that can create. Taking pressure off and Mitchell and creating space for him was the biggest priority. I would also have been okay with switching Mitchell to PG and finding a really good SG as well but I am not sure who that would have been.
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We don't know who is available because we are focusing on pf right now since we got Conley.
If we had Tobias instead of Conley then we would all be talking about the great pg's and sg's we should be getting.
Literally like half the league are free agents this season. I'm certain that some of them are pg and sg and others might be available for trade. (I know okc is trying to cut salary for example. They have Dennis Schroeder)

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fishonjazz said:
You could look at last year too but replace jj with Crowder
Kinda seems like if you put someone other than favors next to gobert at the 4 who can shoot then the jazz are better.
Tobias harris shot 40% from 3 last year (even better before he went to Philly). 49% from three field and 87% from the line

Our starting lineup would be amazing with Tobias

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Jazz were +5.1 and +8.3 with the two five man lineups including Favors and Gobert with the most minutes. Crowder replacing Favors was REALLY good for Rubio. The other lineups are more biased toward Favors. With Crowder replacing Favors and Rubio on the bench, lineups were more even or lean Favors.

With Conley instead of Rubio, I would bet lineups would have trended the same way.
 
fishonjazz said:
We don't know who is available because we are focusing on pf right now since we got Conley.
If we had Tobias instead of Conley then we would all be talking about the great pg's and sg's we should be getting.
Literally like half the league are free agents this season. I'm certain that some of them are pg and sg and others might be available for trade. (I know okc is trying to cut salary for example. They have Dennis Schroeder)

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I would take Conley and Favors over Schroeder and Harris pretty easily.
 
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