You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

[mellow]

Opportunity costs vs loyalty, familiarity and "he's such a good guy".

I love Favs. But not at 18 millions with the chance he walks next summer anyway.

My prediction....Jazz have already shown they at this time value improvement over loyalty. So Derek will join Jae, Ricky, Kyle and Grayson in the "Former Jazzmen" club.

 

[zyzz]

After thinking about it, I'm thinking that the Jazz will guarantee Favors as a last resort, and not do the PR thing of only letting him go unless they get a gamechanger. If we guarantee Favors, we have the room exception and a ton of minimums. Right off the bat, that's not ideal. Add to that teams who strike out on the blue chip free agents (Knicks probably, Clippers maybe). I think those teams will be paying these "minimum" guys more than the minimum on one year deals and then testing the free agent market in 2020. Add to that teams in more desirable markets who will be trying to contend, and who will also be signing minimum guys, (LAL, LAC maybe, BKN, GSW hoping Klay comes back for the playoffs, Boston, Philly, Toronto, Houston just to name a few...) and the pool of minimum players who we can sign shrinks significantly. So not only would we have to fill our roster with minimum contracts, but we might be getting the bottom of the barrel minimum guys.

 

[SCS]

I'm not worried about this front office struggling to find solid players who can contribute on minimum contracts if that's what we need to do. One of the strengths of this front office has been finding diamonds in the rough. Joe Ingles, Royce O'neale, Ekpe Udoh, etc.

 

[framer]

I think that the Jazz have a list of players that they feel improve the team more than Favors. If they can get those players they will. If they cannot they will re-up Favors.

Even if they bring Favors back, it doesn't mean he will stay. In most every scenario his contract gains value bc as the season goes on.

 

[stitches]

Well, what happened is that Gordon Hayward left the Jazz in free agency and prevented the Jazz from signing another offensively skilled player. So DL pivoted, decided that defense was our identity, and he brought in guys like Royce, Thabo, Udoh and Jerebko. Prior to that, the Jazz had offensive talent like Hayward, Hill, Joe Johnson and Rodney Hood. That first year after Hayward left, the Jazz's offense was like 22nd in the league, and we started relying almost entirely on Joe Ingles and Donovan Mitchell.

We've been recovering from that ever since.

Except... that's not true.

The Jazz offense was no. 12 at 109.0 ORTG the last year with Haywood.
The Jazz offense was no. 16 at 107.4 ORTG the first year without Haywood.
The Jazz offense was no. 14 at 110.3 ORTG this last year...

So as an absolute value we had better offense this year than the last year with Haywood. As a relative to the league it was almost the same 12 vs 14 ...

This is why I've been saying that IMO Quin gets too much credit for our defense and not enough credit for our offense. Our defense is to a large degree Rudy-dependent. We've seen it time and time again - we are amazing when Rudy's playing and we completely crumble when he's injured. On the other hand I think Quin is doing miracles with incredibly limited offensive talent. This roster has no business being middle of the league offensively with 3 non-shooters starting for you and a grand total of 1 (ONE!!!!!) player on the entire roster who can reliably create a shot for himself.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think that the Jazz have a list of players that they feel improve the team more than Favors. If they can get those players they will. If they cannot they will re-up Favors.

Even if they bring Favors back, it doesn't mean he will stay. In most every scenario his contract gains value bc as the season goes on.

Favors has been in the trade block for 12 years. His contract last year had more value than this year. His contract value decreases as the season goes on... it’s an expiring... why they hell would it gain value?

 

[LoPo]

We need to trade Favors the absolute best value we can get. He gets his option picked up (which he says matters a lot to him), and we get something rather than losing it for nothing.

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[fishonjazz]

Favors has been in the trade block for 12 years. His contract last year had more value than this year. His contract value decreases as the season goes on... it’s an expiring... why they hell would it gain value?

Don't teams often want expiring contracts to free up money for free agency the next summer or simply if they are in cap hell?

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[fishonjazz]

We need to trade Favors the absolute best value we can get. He gets his option picked up (which he says matters a lot to him), and we get something rather than losing it for nothing.

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Don't we get something by not picking up his deal though? Like 17 million dollars to spend this summer or something like that?

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[NUMBERICA]

If he is willing to re-sign for the minimum though, the Jazz could keep him

I don’t think he’s willing is the whole thing.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Don't we get something by not picking up his deal though? Like 17 million dollars to spend this summer or something like that?

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We can still get that 17 million plus an asset if we pick up the option and trade him to a team with cap space instead of just waiving him.

 

[LoPo]

Don't we get something by not picking up his deal though? Like 17 million dollars to spend this summer or something like that?

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Ideas I'm thinking -

Low-level
Favors to a team with space for a 2nd or two (Sac, Boston, Atlanta, NY). We still have the space, but Favors gets paid and we get something. This idea makes sense if we are going with Niko or others.

Bigger
Favors for a Winslow Miami salary dump package or another scenario I don't see right now. Or maybe Favors and Exum in something even bigger.



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[Ron Mexico]

I don’t think he’s willing is the whole thing.

I agree, I think he wants to play more and make more money. He can go back to Europe and make a lot more money and be a starter and leader over there again. He won the Euroleague final 4 MVP last time he was there. That seems like a lot more fun and a lot more money then sitting on the bench in the NBA all season. I think he was hoping to make a bigger role for himself here but he just isnt good enough for that. I would be shocked if he wasnt back international next year. I guess some crap team in the NBA might offer him a bigger role. But he is also old so there is no reason a team here would do that.

Udoh has to be one of the nicest people in the NBA and I wish him all the luck wherever he goes. Ill always cheer for him.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I agree, I think he wants to play more and make more money. He can go back to Europe and make a lot more money and be a starter and leader over there again. He won the Euroleague final 4 MVP last time he was there. That seems like a lot more fun and a lot more money then sitting on the bench in the NBA all season. I think he was hoping to make a bigger role for himself here but he just isnt good enough for that. I would be shocked if he wasnt back international next year. I guess some crap team in the NBA might offer him a bigger role. But he is also old so there is no reason a team here would do that.

Udoh has to be one of the nicest people in the NBA and I wish him all the luck wherever he goes. Ill always cheer for him.

He’s plenty good to be a backup 5 in the NBA. I’m pretty sure that’s what he was sold on here. But then we never moved on from Favors so he never saw the floor.

Udoh doesn’t bring much offense, but he is a great defensive player and we’d be lucky if he wanted to stay.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Offer JaMychal Green the full room exception the moment FA begins. Clippers have bigger things to focus on. He is a perfect fit here and I think there is a decent chance he takes it. This lets Favors play all the backup 5 minutes and then split the minutes at the 4 with Green and if needs be we can do small ball with Royce or Ingles. We also still have Niang. This lets us see how Favors fits with Conley and Gobert. It also allows us to trade him if we decide to go that route later when his value will be highest.

Is there another player that can shoot as well as he can, rebound, and still play solid defense at the 4 that we could get?

If we get him then our roster just needs another wing. Hopefully we can get one for the min. Looking at what happened in the ESPN mock FA it looks like there should be a few players that we could get there. Avery Bradley went for min and would be a solid fit. Wilson Chandler would be a great fit as well. Alex Caruso would be nice as well but I doubt he goes for that cheap, but we could waive Neto and/or trade Bradley and clear up 3 million to offer him before using the tpe.

 

[Ron Mexico]

He’s plenty good to be a backup 5 in the NBA. I’m pretty sure that’s what he was sold on here. But then we never moved on from Favors so he never saw the floor.

Udoh doesn’t bring much offense, but he is a great defensive player and we’d be lucky if he wanted to stay.

He could be okay at that here but he isnt worth more than the min to us. Most teams want some sort of offense out of their center, I dont see any other team offering him much, maybe one team offers him the trade room exception but I am not sure who. He really liked his time in Europe as a star player and got paid a lot more. He was the highest paid American player outside of the NBA in basketball before coming to the Jazz.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Don't teams often want expiring contracts to free up money for free agency the best summer or simply if they are in cap hell?

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Sure but it’s a big contract so finding a match is tough... we aren’t in the mode of helping teams free up money (teams only want to free up bad money)... and a contract that has a second unguaranteed year is more valuable... so we’ve essentially had the guy on an expiring deal for two years and haven’t moved him for something... why is this the year his value is good and we can just pivot later?

 

[Ineptimusprime]

I’ll be okay with whatever happens, as this offseason was already a major success. We have three all-star level players on the roster.

I do think the better roster move is to let Fav go to better surround our “Big 3” with more shooting, but that requires the right guys to be interested at the right price. It’ll be fun to see how it plays out. A lot of intrigue left in this offseason.

 

[fishonjazz]

We can still get that 17 million plus an asset if we pick up the option and trade him to a team with cap space instead of just waiving him.

I was just pointing out that if his option was not picked up it isn't like we get nothing. We do get money to spend on players.

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[TheStormofWar]

I’ll be okay with whatever happens, as this offseason was already a major success. We have three all-star level players on the roster.

I do think the better roster move is to let Fav go to better surround our “Big 3” with more shooting, but that requires the right guys to be interested at the right price. It’ll be fun to see how it plays out. A lot of intrigue left in this offseason.

Most of who we can get will play out once the dominos start falling. I suspect what happens is this:

• Utah explores trade opportunities for Derek and Exum, possibly other pieces depending on who's left after the bloodletting begins.

• Utah picks up Favors option, but readies to pull the trigger on a deal as necessary.

• Once the dominos fall, Utah moves Favors (depending on who's left) for cap space. They sign who's remaining.