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You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

I haven’t kept up on this.

So now that we have Conley aren’t we going to throw the kitchen sink at Harris? It seems like only getting Conley this summer would only improve us nominally.

Where does it look like Harris is headed to?
 
The Thriller said:
I haven’t kept up on this.

So now that we have Conley aren’t we going to throw the kitchen sink at Harris? It seems like only getting Conley this summer would only improve us nominally.

Where does it look like Harris is headed to?
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To be able to be in a position to get Harris we’d need to move either Exum or Ingles and let Favors go. As of right now it sounds like the 76ers or Nets might be the best landing spot.
 
NAOS said:
Conley provides more than “nominal” improvement.
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Does the word nominal mean championship or sumthin?

People really underselling how freaking good Conley is. I’m cool with keeping Favs even though I think the best use of that space is for something to get some depth... even if we run it back as is with some “nominal” depth pieces I think we are 55 wins and a top 3 seed with a chance to get to the finals... not the favorite but have a chance.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Does the word nominal mean championship or sumthin?

People really underselling how freaking good Conley is. I’m cool with keeping Favs even though I think the best use of that space is for something to get some depth... even if we run it back as is with some “nominal” depth pieces I think we are 55 wins and a top 3 seed with a chance to get to the finals... not the favorite but have a chance.
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Joe and Favs unlocked something kinda great last year.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Favors has been in the trade block for 12 years. His contract last year had more value than this year. His contract value decreases as the season goes on... it’s an expiring... why they hell would it gain value?
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Because he is:
1. An expiring contract
2. A huge difference maker on defense
3. Affordable

And being on the same team with one of the greatest pick and roll guards in the game will be a huge difference maker. It seems like Ingles is the only person on the Jazz that can complete the pick and roll consistently without throwing the ball at Favor's ankles (they do this to Rudy too.) Favors will look awesome. There are so many more teams that see a way to competition. Favors is a "win now" guy. With the league more wide open, and the obvious nerfing of the tank, there will be a lot more interest in what he can give.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Does the word nominal mean championship or sumthin?

People really underselling how freaking good Conley is. I’m cool with keeping Favs even though I think the best use of that space is for something to get some depth... even if we run it back as is with some “nominal” depth pieces I think we are 55 wins and a top 3 seed with a chance to get to the finals... not the favorite but have a chance.
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It means we still need to add pieces. And no, I don’t think we are a top 3 team with Conley. He opens up the potential to be one, but he alone doesn’t do it. While I think we were limited with Rubio no matter how many other pieces we added.

Nuggets, Blazers, Rockets, Warriors (once Klay gets back), and Thunder are all better than us. Especially OKC and Houston, I feel like they’re awful matchups for us. I don’t have confidence that we’d beat those 5 teams in a playoff series as currently constituted.

We need more pieces, especially in the shooting department.
 
The Thriller said:
It means we still need to add pieces. And no, I don’t think we are a top 3 team with Conley. He opens up the potential to be one, but he alone doesn’t do it. While I think we were limited with Rubio no matter how many other pieces we added.

Nuggets, Blazers, Rockets, Warriors (once Klay gets back), and Thunder are all better than us. Especially OKC and Houston, I feel like they’re awful matchups for us. I don’t have confidence that we’d beat those 5 teams in a playoff series as currently constituted.

We need more pieces, especially in the shooting department.
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We need more players, sure. But the Nuggets, Blazers, and especially the Thunder are no way in hell better than us come playoff time. We need to address our issues with the Warriors (who fall off next year) and Houston (still there), while handling our business with the Lakeshow.
 
I am starting to think this more and more that Favors makes us better than just about anyone we can pick up next year.

If we pick up a different couple players to fill in Favors role then we will have an adjustment period that could take a full season. It can take awhile to build good chemistry. Chemistry Favors already has with our team. He knows his role and plays it well. I like the idea of Harris but he might struggle to fit in and struggle to find his role and develop chemistry.

Plus Favors is a perfect pick and roll man for both Conley and Ingles. Gobert struggles in the pick and roll with players that dont throw the lob well to him. Conley might be able to pick it up but he only had one lob pass to JJJ despite feeding him a lot and him being an above the rim tall big. Conley might be better off playing with Favors more. If Exum is healthy no one has been better at throwing the lob to Gobert than him. Hopefully they can get that going again this year.
 
framer said:
Also, he can be traded for anyone, not just someone who happens to be a free agent this year.
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Except it takes two to tango so he can’t really be traded for anyone and half the league are free agents this year so it’s a huge pool.

If you want Favs you pick up the option and keep him... all in or waive him. We aren’t keeping him to say maybe we can pivot later.
 
I really wished we better understood the other side of the coin of why expiring contracts are valuable.
 
TheStormofWar said:
We need more players, sure. But the Nuggets, Blazers, and especially the Thunder are no way in hell better than us come playoff time. We need to address our issues with the Warriors (who fall off next year) and Houston (still there), while handling our business with the Lakeshow.
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I disagree.

Rockets and Warriors are still the cream of the crop and would beat us.

Blazers could/would go small and fast and run us out of the gym. We have to find some pieces to counter their speed and shooting.

OKC still has playoff P, the man who murdered us all last year. Even with Conley, we don’t have enough to get past them. We only beat them two years ago because Billy D was stupid enough to keep playing our best player, Carmelo Anthony. Without him, OKC would’ve beaten us.

I’ll concede that Denver is a bit of a stretch. But their backcourt is extremely talented.

We still need more pieces and right now I wouldn’t consider us a top 3 team. We are a top 5 team with potential. But we’re not top 3 without adding some additional pieces. Add Harris and I’ll admit then that we’re a top 3 team in the west. Agree to disagree.
 
TheStormofWar said:
We need more players, sure. But the Nuggets, Blazers, and especially the Thunder are no way in hell better than us come playoff time. We need to address our issues with the Warriors (who fall off next year) and Houston (still there), while handling our business with the Lakeshow.
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Depending on who the Lakers pick pick up I think they are going to be the top team in the West.

Golden State might be good by the playoff time but they are going to struggle in the regular season without Durant and Klay. Steph will keep them competitive but not the top seed.

Denver is slightly improved and a regular season team so they will probably be the 1 or 2 seed in the regular season. But they arent a playoff team. They are too soft and no defense. The team follows their top player in that way.

Portland will be about the same as they have been the last two years.

The Thunder will continue to fall off. Westbrook is getting worse. PG kept them good the first half of the year but really fell off the second half.

Houston will be good in the regular season again and I think will be neck and neck with the Jazz for the 3rd seed. But I think Jazz, Lakers, Houston, and Denver will be all pretty close in the standings. I hope Jazz can really get hot early though. They have a chance to be the top seed in the West if things go well and we are healthy.

Clippers are a wild card depending on who they pick up.

Who the Jazz pick up in FA could change things. If we pick up a couple really solid well fitting vets we could be the front runner. Also we have to be healthy, which is always a big if with the Jazz.
 
The Thriller said:
I disagree.

Rockets and Warriors are still the cream of the crop and would beat us.

Blazers could/would go small and fast and run us out of the gym. We have to find some pieces to counter their speed and shooting.

OKC still has playoff P, the man who murdered us all last year. Even with Conley, we don’t have enough to get past them. We only beat them two years ago because Billy D was stupid enough to keep playing our best player, Carmelo Anthony. Without him, OKC would’ve beaten us.

I’ll concede that Denver is a bit of a stretch. But their backcourt is extremely talented.

We still need more pieces and right now I wouldn’t consider us a top 3 team. We are a top 5 team with potential. But we’re not top 3 without adding some additional pieces. Add Harris and I’ll admit then that we’re a top 3 team in the west. Agree to disagree.
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Warriors minus Durant and Klay are not the cream of the crop.

OKC not only lost to us in the playoffs 2 years ago, they also finished behind us last year in the standings and we improved our team while they have not.

Harris is a nice player and possibly a good fit but I dont think it makes that big of a difference especially when you consider losing both Favors and Exum next year to get him.

Conley adds more than just a couple wins to the Jazz. 7 games more wins and we are the #1 seed last year. I think Conley makes us 7 games better. He is a huge upgrade over Rubio on both ends of the court. He opens up the court so much for us. I think we move into the top 10 offense next year to go with one of the top 3 defenses. 3 more ppg makes us the 7th best offense last year. Conley will get us at least that per game over Rubio, plus better defense.
 
The Thriller said:
I disagree.

Rockets and Warriors are still the cream of the crop and would beat us.

Blazers could/would go small and fast and run us out of the gym. We have to find some pieces to counter their speed and shooting.

OKC still has playoff P, the man who murdered us all last year. Even with Conley, we don’t have enough to get past them. We only beat them two years ago because Billy D was stupid enough to keep playing our best player, Carmelo Anthony. Without him, OKC would’ve beaten us.

I’ll concede that Denver is a bit of a stretch. But their backcourt is extremely talented.

We still need more pieces and right now I wouldn’t consider us a top 3 team. We are a top 5 team with potential. But we’re not top 3 without adding some additional pieces. Add Harris and I’ll admit then that we’re a top 3 team in the west. Agree to disagree.
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We ghosted them two years ago and they have done little to remediate that situation. Funny how we keep forgetting that. Also, I will put Conley and Mitchell against Dame and CJ in a playoff series and Denver doesn't frighten me. That leaves GSW and Houston. Golden State will not come back with nearly the firepower they did this year, and if so, they are likely down two players for most of the year. Our issue with Houston was we did not hit our open looks. The system did it's job, but we didn't execute after that (as cliche as it is).

We need 3d players sure, but don't underestimate how much Conley improves our offensive situation.
 
framer said:
Because he is:
1. An expiring contract
2. A huge difference maker on defense
3. Affordable

And being on the same team with one of the greatest pick and roll guards in the game will be a huge difference maker. It seems like Ingles is the only person on the Jazz that can complete the pick and roll consistently without throwing the ball at Favor's ankles (they do this to Rudy too.) Favors will look awesome. There are so many more teams that see a way to competition. Favors is a "win now" guy. With the league more wide open, and the obvious nerfing of the tank, there will be a lot more interest in what he can give.
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None of those things change his trade value. It does not increase as the season goes on... he has been on an expiring contract the last two years.

If you want to keep him then fine... but his trade value increasing as the season goes is dumb rationale because it just isn’t true.
 
Anyone arguing OKC is better than is is dumb AF. We kicked they *** a couple years ago... now we are way better and they are declining and aren’t able to improve because of cap issues and no picks... they are ***... gtfo with that.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Warriors minus Durant and Klay are not the cream of the crop.

OKC not only lost to us in the playoffs 2 years ago, they also finished behind us last year in the standings and we improved our team while they have not.

Harris is a nice player and possibly a good fit but I dont think it makes that big of a difference especially when you consider losing both Favors and Exum next year to get him.

Conley adds more than just a couple wins to the Jazz. 7 games more wins and we are the #1 seed last year. I think Conley makes us 7 games better. He is a huge upgrade over Rubio on both ends of the court. He opens up the court so much for us. I think we move into the top 10 offense next year to go with one of the top 3 defenses. 3 more ppg makes us the 7th best offense last year. Conley will get us at least that per game over Rubio, plus better defense.
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Torn ACLs aren’t what they used to be. Especially since his game wasn’t predicated on speed anyway. Klay will be back fairly quickly. Even without Durant, Golden State nearly took out Toronto. People are being overly optimistic thinking that their window has closed.

OKC was a better team this year than when we faced them two years ago. I don’t care what records say. Sorry, you can agree to disagree but I remember most on this board agreed with me in desiring to avoid them at all costs in the playoffs.

And who’s this Exum you’re talking about? People really expect to get any meaningful production from him this year? Even when healthy he sucked.
 
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