Rate the Jazz Offseason and Discuss

[Hotdog]

Yep, should have gotten more in the Favors deal - SMD. Are you ****ing kidding me? Jazz were going to have to waive him. Zanik must have nude fotos of the Pelicans' FO personnel partying at Mardi Gras? Probably has photo evidence of where they were putting those beads.

To get ANYTHING from a guy who was going to get waived is a bargain. They got back TWO of those picks they had to trade away in other deals.

Not too worried about NPC. He's an outlier. I look forward to bumping his comments at the end of the season. Barring significant injuries, the floor for the Jazz is HC advantage in at least the 1st round.

I cant wait to get this bumped.

Im sorry, but you cant money ball the NBA 100%. At some point the better players just win out. As good as Donvan and Rudy are they still have a group of players ahead of them. Bojan and Ed Davis arent winning you championships. I dont care what the analytics say. You better pray Conley is better than his underrated tag.

As far as Favors goes they should have traded him last year if they werent committed to him. They keep doing the same thing and letting good players walk for nothing. (2) 2nd rounders is nothing for a guy who was the center piece in the trade for DWill. All said and done we essentially got nothing for DWill. Let Favors go soon as he hits his prime. SMH

 

[JazzMan4Life]

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[Jack Strop]

Good gawd. How long has DWill been out of the league? Jazz got Bojangles for Derrick. They used that salary slot to bring in a free agent. You hedge your bet. HD they struck out in free agency, Derrick would have been a pretty good consolation piece to hang onto.

Tried to trade Favs last year along with Rubio for Conley. Cant fault Dennis for the Memphis GM getting cold feet and going back on the deal. You saw what happened to him as a result.

Hey, i agree with you....if Utah can't get at least 2 of the top 10 players in the league, they need to just give up. Sell the team to someone in Vegas. All hope is lost. Why even be a fan of any small market team? They dont stand a chance in hell of ever succeeding. Collapse the league into a 6-team champions division and 24 minor league feeder clubs.

I cant wait to get this bumped.

Im sorry, but you cant money ball the NBA 100%. At some point the better players just win out. As good as Donvan and Rudy are they still have a group of players ahead of them. Bojan and Ed Davis arent winning you championships. I dont care what the analytics say. You better pray Conley is better than his underrated tag.

As far as Favors goes they should have traded him last year if they werent committed to him. They keep doing the same thing and letting good players walk for nothing. (2) 2nd rounders is nothing for a guy who was the center piece in the trade for DWill. All said and done we essentially got nothing for DWill. Let Favors go soon as he hits his prime. SMH

 

[hawkeye]

I cant wait to get this bumped.

Im sorry, but you cant money ball the NBA 100%. At some point the better players just win out. As good as Donvan and Rudy are they still have a group of players ahead of them. Bojan and Ed Davis arent winning you championships. I dont care what the analytics say. You better pray Conley is better than his underrated tag.

As far as Favors goes they should have traded him last year if they werent committed to him. They keep doing the same thing and letting good players walk for nothing. (2) 2nd rounders is nothing for a guy who was the center piece in the trade for DWill. All said and done we essentially got nothing for DWill. Let Favors go soon as he hits his prime. SMH

I'll refrain from the route I'd like to take and go high road instead. What is your idea of a successful offseason? I fully agree that the Jazz could have got more for Favors. However, I'm glad as hell that they let him pick his destination instead of sending him into a terrible situation for a slightly better pick. Favors will always encompass what a true Jazz man is and I'm glad that he gets to do what's best for him and his family. For the first time in forever the Jazz are going all in and we all hope it pays off. No guarantee, but it's better than being the 5-8 seed for years until Gobert and Mitchell get tired of floating by.

 

[hawkeye]

I'll refrain from the route I'd like to take and go high road instead. What is your idea of a successful offseason? I fully agree that the Jazz could have got more for Favors. However, I'm glad as hell that they let him pick his destination instead of sending him into a terrible situation for a slightly better pick. Favors will always encompass what a true Jazz man is and I'm glad that he gets to do what's best for him and his family. For the first time in forever the Jazz are going all in and we all hope it pays off. No guarantee, but it's better than being the 5-8 seed for years until Gobert and Mitchell get tired of floating by.

For what it's worth, I give the offseason an A-. I would have it as a B since we lost Crowder and Favors, but Davis helps with that grade. We still are missing a solid power forward that could start and let ingles be the 6th man in my opinion.

 

[Hotdog]

I'll refrain from the route I'd like to take and go high road instead. What is your idea of a successful offseason? I fully agree that the Jazz could have got more for Favors. However, I'm glad as hell that they let him pick his destination instead of sending him into a terrible situation for a slightly better pick. Favors will always encompass what a true Jazz man is and I'm glad that he gets to do what's best for him and his family. For the first time in forever the Jazz are going all in and we all hope it pays off. No guarantee, but it's better than being the 5-8 seed for years until Gobert and Mitchell get tired of floating by.

I agree that its nice to see some actual movement and taking some risk, but I dont think these are the right moves.

Think of all the moves throughout NBA history where teams overpaid a free agent and it crippled their franchise for the next few years. There is a very good chance that is exactly what the Jazz just did. Would you agree if it turns out Bojan is less than good then this is a giant fail? Or is it ok to pay near 20% of your salary cap on player that ends up massively underperforming?

Bojan had one decent year. He is 30 now. No one here just a little nervous that was a little flukey? He has bounced around from team to team and hasnt done much with plenty of opportunity. That doesn't make you nervous?

This is not the risk you take.

 

[hawkeye]

I agree that its nice to see some actual movement and taking some risk, but I dont think these are the right moves.

Think of all the moves throughout NBA history where teams overpaid a free agent and it crippled their franchise for the next few years. There is a very good chance that is exactly what the Jazz just did. Would you agree if it turns out Bojan is less than good then this is a giant fail? Or is it ok to pay near 20% of your salary cap on player that ends up massively underperforming?

Bojan had one decent year. He is 30 now. No one here just a little nervous that was a little flukey? He has bounced around from team to team and hasnt done much with plenty of opportunity. That doesn't make you nervous?

This is not the risk you take.

I think it's all risky and makes me nervous TBH. I don't think it cripples us for the foreseeable future though. If all of these moves don't work out and nothing gets accomplished, we at lease have strong assets to work for another rebuild (god forbid). I'm not talking our next couple years of first round picks, i'm saying the players we have can net us some amazing assets. Worst case scenario, we fail and there is no chemistry and players want to bolt to another team. Gobert and Mitchell would bring us a hell of a haul worth of assets.

I pray that never happens though. I want Gobert and Mitchell here long term and to be at the front of the parade when they bring the finals trophy down state street..

 

[Hotdog]

I think it's all risky and makes me nervous TBH. I don't think it cripples us for the foreseeable future though. If all of these moves don't work out and nothing gets accomplished, we at lease have strong assets to work for another rebuild (god forbid). I'm not talking our next couple years of first round picks, i'm saying the players we have can net us some amazing assets. Worst case scenario, we fail and there is no chemistry and players want to bolt to another team. Gobert and Mitchell would bring us a hell of a haul worth of assets.

I pray that never happens though. I want Gobert and Mitchell here long term and to be at the front of the parade when they bring the finals trophy down state street..

No. Its not going to cripple the Jazz. They will still be good, but there is a good chance is seals our fate, and we dont ascend any higher. I don't see how we change things up after this. I bet Bojan's contract is untradable after 1 year.

This really is it. We've traded our picks. We've locked ourselves into the players we have. We arent signing anyone for a while, and we arent making trades either.

If you really wanted to see a championship anytime soon, you have to hope that this is the roster. Awful lot of faith to put in Bojan and Ed Davis. Two players who havent even sniffed being considered one of the better players in the league.

 

[infection]

No. Its not going to cripple the Jazz. They will still be good, but there is a good chance is seals our fate, and we dont ascend any higher. I don't see how we change things up after this. I bet Bojan's contract is untradable after 1 year.

This really is it. We've traded our picks. We've locked ourselves into the players we have. We arent signing anyone for a while, and we arent making trades either.

If you really wanted to see a championship anytime soon, you have to hope that this is the roster. Awful lot of faith to put in Bojan and Ed Davis. Two players who havent even sniffed being considered one of the better players in the league.

Everyone was paranoid about losing Favors. I think Davis gives you 85-90% of what Favors does (and Favors has some negative value because we are pressured to start him and play him out of position — no strings attached with Davis). People worried about losing Hayward. Bojan gives you 90-95% of what Hayward would. Before 2017, we were one player away from being a real contender. We’ve essentially maintained our Favors, maintained that Hayward, added Donovan, and upgraded to steroid George Hill (giving you 140% of what Hill gave you) with Conley. Plus we got two second rounders.

Yeah, we’re looking pretty ****ing good.

 

[hawkeye]

No. Its not going to cripple the Jazz. They will still be good, but there is a good chance is seals our fate, and we dont ascend any higher. I don't see how we change things up after this. I bet Bojan's contract is untradable after 1 year.

This really is it. We've traded our picks. We've locked ourselves into the players we have. We arent signing anyone for a while, and we arent making trades either.

If you really wanted to see a championship anytime soon, you have to hope that this is the roster. Awful lot of faith to put in Bojan and Ed Davis. Two players who havent even sniffed being considered one of the better players in the league.

Just got to hope that Bojan and Conley come out swinging and can replicate what they've done recently. Even you have to admit, IF those guys resemble their 2018/2019 years we could be a deadly team. I'm not worried about GSW or Houston anymore. OKC, Den, and POR are the only other teams chomping at the bit and I still think we're better than them.

 

[COJazz44]

So, @Jason @Pastramiking @Pouyan @themanknownassting and @campaignist

Why a B? What is missing for you to consider this at least an A? Where can we improve?

Honest question. Not a trap lol

Probably a combination of losing a bunch of fan favorite players and unreasonable expectations.

For me, an A would be something shocking/unpredictable. I never expected to sign someone like Klay, Durant, Butler, or Irving. However, wouldn't that in theory be an A or A+?

So Conley and Bogdanovic although amazing in terms of realistic expectations, wouldn't necessarily be categorized the "best" scenario. Hence, the B rating.

 

[fishonjazz]

It's an A, and it's obvious.

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