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Rubio/Crowder threes vs. Conley/Bogdanovic threes

infection said:
So the idea has been mentioned previously about imaging all the threes Rubio and Crowder shot being shot by Conley and Bogdanovic, so I wanted to give a short breakdown:

Last year Ricky and Jae combined for 776 threes, which is 29% of all our threes. They combined for 32.5%.

Last year Mike and Bojan combined for 784 threes on 40.7%.

As the total attempts are nearly identical, I'm going to correct each total by splitting the difference and assuming 780 attempts. The difference between Ricky/Jae and Mike/Bojan is 9.27 ppg vs. 11.61 ppg, or 2.34 ppg.

Some stats whiz tell us what 2.34 ppg of differential means in the big picture.
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I feel totally comfortable claiming that if Conley and Bojan were on the team last year instead of Ricky and Jae, they would have combined for more than 776 attempts.

Add this to the many other points already made.
 
infection said:
So the idea has been mentioned previously about imaging all the threes Rubio and Crowder shot being shot by Conley and Bogdanovic, so I wanted to give a short breakdown:

Last year Ricky and Jae combined for 776 threes, which is 29% of all our threes. They combined for 32.5%.

Last year Mike and Bojan combined for 784 threes on 40.7%.

As the total attempts are nearly identical, I'm going to correct each total by splitting the difference and assuming 780 attempts. The difference between Ricky/Jae and Mike/Bojan is 9.27 ppg vs. 11.61 ppg, or 2.34 ppg.

Some stats whiz tell us what 2.34 ppg of differential means in the big picture.
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Yea, we're basically the same team. Those stats are the only ones that differentiate Wins and Losses. Defense, and team chemisty won't effect that at all. And it's not like the ENTIRE Western Conference changed. Your right, best off-season of the Utah Jazz existence and we're the exact same team. It's not like the moves of the other 29 teams in the NBA have anything to do with the number. We can basically determine we're gonna suck by taking one stat of two guys. The rest is history!!!! Rubio and Conley are almost exactly the same!!! Crowder and Bojan, can't even tell their game apart. Almost identical! You know who else had similar games?? Wilt Chamberlain and David Wood. Damn near the same. If you remove the massive overall stats, their turnovers were so close! Must be the same player!

Let's quit calling common sense "common", because apparently its not.
 
Win totals year to year have nothing to do with the talent or potential of a team. Every team makes changes. The Jazz are not going to have the highest win total, but they are going to win the Championship this year. They're destined.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Win totals year to year have nothing to do with the talent or potential of a team. Every team makes changes. The Jazz are not going to have the highest win total, but they are going to win the Championship this year. They're destined.
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Hmmm that's not completely true, teams that don't really make moves like Denver this offseason and Utah last offseason should have similar records the next season.

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Kyoto said:
Hmmm that's not completely true, teams that don't really make moves like Denver this offseason and Utah last offseason should have similar records the next season.

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So because Utah didn't make moves last offseason (2017), they'll have a similar record they had that year to this upcoming year?
And because Denver didn't do anything their record will be the same despite the fact that the Lakers acquired Davis, Clippers got Kawhi and PG, among'st other changes in the Western Conference. You don't think that has an effect on every team not only in the Western Conference, but in the NBA?
I live in Vegas and I love Sports Betting. Vegas isn't wrong often, but apparently, you have figured out something in 5 minutes that they haven't figured out in 50 years. Other teams don't affect win totals. Star players merging into one team don't affect an unchanged teams win totals? You going with that?
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
So because Utah didn't make moves last offseason (2017), they'll have a similar record they had that year to this upcoming year?
And because Denver didn't do anything their record will be the same despite the fact that the Lakers acquired Davis, Clippers got Kawhi and PG, among'st other changes in the Western Conference. You don't think that has an effect on every team not only in the Western Conference, but in the NBA?
I live in Vegas and I love Sports Betting. Vegas isn't wrong often, but apparently, you have figured out something in 5 minutes that they haven't figured out in 50 years. Other teams don't affect win totals. Star players merging into one team don't affect an unchanged teams win totals? You going with that?
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Yes, Denver (barring injuries) should have a similar record to last year. I'm not saying other teams dont effect their win total, I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that they should end up with similar wins than last year like... +/- 5 wins

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+/- 5 wins
Kyoto said:
Yes, Denver (barring injuries) should have a similar record to last year. I'm not saying other teams dont effect their win total, I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that they should end up with similar wins than last year like... +/- 5 wins

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+/- 5 wins, is a 10 game cushion. That's not exactly "similar win total." A 10 game cushion is 12% of their games played. Are they having a similar record or not? I'm still lost on your 2017 Jazz win-upcoming win total comparison, can you elaborate?
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
+/- 5 wins


+/- 5 wins, is a 10 game cushion. That's not exactly "similar win total." A 10 game cushion is 12% of their games played. Are they having a similar record or not? I'm still lost on your 2017 Jazz win-upcoming win total comparison, can you elaborate?
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Dude, chill. Don't act like I called your mom a bad word or something.

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Wes Mantooth said:
Reading **** like this makes me wanna throw 25K down on O53.5.
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Yeah don’t... normally they have us a win or two too low... 54.5 is the perfect number... that’s a stay away.
 
I do think we will be slightly worse on defense. Favs is good at the rim and the rebounding is a big part of defense. I expect us to have a point differential increase but more importantly I expect us to win more close games.

Conley being able to create for himself and others and being a good shooter and being a low turnover guy will be such an improvement over Rubio and I think that is magnified towards the end of close games.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Yea, we're basically the same team. Those stats are the only ones that differentiate Wins and Losses. Defense, and team chemisty won't effect that at all. And it's not like the ENTIRE Western Conference changed. Your right, best off-season of the Utah Jazz existence and we're the exact same team. It's not like the moves of the other 29 teams in the NBA have anything to do with the number. We can basically determine we're gonna suck by taking one stat of two guys. The rest is history!!!! Rubio and Conley are almost exactly the same!!! Crowder and Bojan, can't even tell their game apart. Almost identical! You know who else had similar games?? Wilt Chamberlain and David Wood. Damn near the same. If you remove the massive overall stats, their turnovers were so close! Must be the same player!

Let's quit calling common sense "common", because apparently its not.
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Dude, you totally get it. How did you just take the words right out of my mouth? (or right off my finger keyboard?) I always thought David Wood was massively under rated. I had this skybox card as a kid:

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