Rubio/Crowder threes vs. Conley/Bogdanovic threes

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by infection, Aug 1, 2019.

  1. Lakers_Slapper

    Lakers_Slapper Well-Known Member

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    So because Utah didn't make moves last offseason (2017), they'll have a similar record they had that year to this upcoming year?
    And because Denver didn't do anything their record will be the same despite the fact that the Lakers acquired Davis, Clippers got Kawhi and PG, among'st other changes in the Western Conference. You don't think that has an effect on every team not only in the Western Conference, but in the NBA?
    I live in Vegas and I love Sports Betting. Vegas isn't wrong often, but apparently, you have figured out something in 5 minutes that they haven't figured out in 50 years. Other teams don't affect win totals. Star players merging into one team don't affect an unchanged teams win totals? You going with that?
     
  2. Kyoto

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    Yes, Denver (barring injuries) should have a similar record to last year. I'm not saying other teams dont effect their win total, I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that they should end up with similar wins than last year like... +/- 5 wins

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  3. Lakers_Slapper

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    +/- 5 wins
    +/- 5 wins, is a 10 game cushion. That's not exactly "similar win total." A 10 game cushion is 12% of their games played. Are they having a similar record or not? I'm still lost on your 2017 Jazz win-upcoming win total comparison, can you elaborate?
     
  4. Kyoto

    Kyoto Well-Known Member

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    Dude, chill. Don't act like I called your mom a bad word or something.

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  5. Handlogten's Heros

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    Yeah don’t... normally they have us a win or two too low... 54.5 is the perfect number... that’s a stay away.
     
  6. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    I do think we will be slightly worse on defense. Favs is good at the rim and the rebounding is a big part of defense. I expect us to have a point differential increase but more importantly I expect us to win more close games.

    Conley being able to create for himself and others and being a good shooter and being a low turnover guy will be such an improvement over Rubio and I think that is magnified towards the end of close games.
     
  7. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Dude, you totally get it. How did you just take the words right out of my mouth? (or right off my finger keyboard?) I always thought David Wood was massively under rated. I had this skybox card as a kid:

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  8. idestroyedthetoilet

    idestroyedthetoilet Well-Known Member

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    If everyone is betting the over they adjust the number higher so everyone isnt betting the over. That's how Vegas always wins.
     
  9. Wes Mantooth

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    No **** Sherlock. And that’s not how Vegas always wins. But thanks. Qm
     
  10. jazzfan1971

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    Lets just hope we are more improved offensively than we are degraded on the defensive end.
     
  11. Blue Waffles

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    One thing about this entire post that I think I noticed was the idea of adding 2.3 points per game is based only on the point differential of 3-point shooting. What about the overall point differential. What would be the difference if you added 2-point shooting and free throws?
     
  12. NUMBERICA

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    And turnovers.
     
  13. freakazoid

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    Conely is going to have a bigger role most of the time than just being a 2nd option. I'd expect our offense to run similarly to Rubio's first season in Utah. Mitchell will take over in 4th quarters, but Conely is going to be setting the pace for the offense at least through the first half. Last year our offense struggled more because Mitchell was asked to do too much in the first half and was worn out down the stretch.
     
  14. //r00t 4 Jazz

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    Yeah that's another point that should hopefully help both the defensive and offensive numbers, as much as we all like Ricky's heart he had some bad TO's and overall just a bit too many whereas so far in Conley's career he's been much more secure with the ball.
     
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  15. framer

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    We will have to see to be certain, but replacing Rubio, Crowder, and Favors with Conley, Bojan/Royce, and Davis seems like an awful lot like a wash. I never subscribed to the supposed defensive power of Rubio.
     
  16. framer

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    Also consider that Rubio's EFG% went from 42% to 47% on a lot more shots under the Jazz than with Minny. Fairly certain they were leaving Rubio open in Minny too. He just got a lot better shots with the Jazz, even with their semi-gimped offense. Give those shots to Conley, who starts with a 51% efg as the focus of the other team's defense in Memphis.
     
  17. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    My thoughts. I don’t think we’re different defensively.
     
  18. idestroyedthetoilet

    idestroyedthetoilet Well-Known Member

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    You think Vegas gambles too? How precious.
     
  19. Wes Mantooth

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    Troll on.
     
  20. Wes Mantooth

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    I love how some novices seem completely unaware of the fact that Vegas does not always move the lines if the majority of bettors are taking action on one side.
     

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