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2019 Annual Jazzfanz AllTime NBA Draft - Round 2, Match 4 - Gandalfe vs UB

Who would win in a 7 game series?


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gandalfe

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Who would win in a 7 game series?

Gandalfe

PG: Tony Parker/Bob Cousy
SG: James Harden/Rick Barry
SF: Charles Barkley/Sam Jones
PF: Kevin McHale/Kristaps Porzingas
C: Wilt Chamberlain/Mark Eaton

UB

PG: Jason Kidd/Baron Davis
SG: Dwayne Wade/Manu Ginobli
SF: Dominique Wilkins/Ben Gordon
PF: Rasheed Wallace/Paul Milsap
C: Pau Gasol/Joel Embiid
 
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Gandalfe

PG: Tony Parker/Bob Cousy
SG: James Harden/Rick Barry
SF: Charles Barkley/Sam Jones
PF: Kevin McHale/Kristaps Porzingas
C: Wilt Chamberlain/Mark Eaton

I think I talked enough about how great Wilt Chamberlain was. He once broke a dude's bones by dunking on him. Seriously, he dunked and the ball hit Johnny Kerr's foot so hard it broke his toe.

So let's talk about the rest of the team for a minute. Kevin McHale would absolutely destroy Pau Gasol. Pau was great, probably the only member of the lakers from that period I can stand, but man, compared to McHal, he was marshmellow soft. McHale would grind him up in the torture chamber like her was in a coffee mill.

What can be said about James Harden? Complete jackass, sure. Travels every trip down the court? Probably. But man, he can score. He just scores and scores and scores. But what nobody talks about is his defense. And, sure, he's no Rudy Gobert, or Gary Payton. But he defends BIG. As in, he is usually defending guys who are bigger than he is. And he feasts on stripping the ball from them. He was 2nd in the league for steals last year. He would LOVE to pit himself against Dominique. Overall, he led the league in VORP last year, at 9.9. 2nd place was Antetokounmpo, at 7.6.


Tony Parker was one of those players who wasn't the best at any one thing, but was excellent at everything a point guard should do. Shooting? Passing? Defense? Leadership? Marrying the hot chick? All things he did very, very well.

Charles Barkley. In the last round, a lot of people gave me crap about playing him at SF. Here;s the thing, tho: He was only 6'6" (probably less...), But watch him in his early years especially. He moved with the speed and agility of a wing, and the power of a big. He's 3 pt shooting for his career was nothing spectaular, 26.6%. But for a PF in the 80s/90s, that was good. His job wasn't to shoot from outside, it was to bang down low.

UB has a very good team, but his weaknesses fall right into my strengths. And, in case you forgot, Wilt. He would make Embiid look like a little kid.
 
UB

It's all about the chemistry, boyz.



STARTERS PPG RPG APG SPG
Jason Kidd PG 6'4''/205 16.9 6.8 10.8 2.3 -- 36% 3PG
Dwyane Wade SG 6'4''/220 30.2 5 7.5 2.2 - 1.7 blocks/gm
Dominique Wilkins SF 6'8''/215 30.3 7.9 2.6 1.8 -- 38% 3PG
Rasheed Wallace PF 6'10''/225 19.3 8.2 1.9 1.3 -- 36% 3PG
Pau Gasol C 7'/250 18.3 11.3 3.4 0.6 -- 53.8% 3PG (0.9/1.6 att/gm)
Starting lineup: 124.2ppg 41.5rpg 26.5 apg 9.5spg


BENCH PPG RPG APG SPG
Baron Davis PG 6'3''/209 22.9 4.3 7.5 2.4
Ben Gordon SG 6'3''/200 20.7 3.5 3.4 0.9 -- 41.0% 3PG
Manu Ginobili SF 6'6'/205 19.5 4.8 4.5 1.5
Paul Millsap PF 6'8/246 18.1 7.7 3.7 1.3
Joel Embiid C 7'/250 27.5 13.6 3.7 1.9 -- 10.1 FTA; 80%FT
Bench: 99.5ppg 31.6rpg 22.5apg 6.7spg

Total (non-restricted minutes): 223.7ppg 73.1rpg 49apg 16.2spg



Kidd vs Parker

Wade vs Harden

Wilkins vs Barkley

Wallace vs McHale

Gasol vs Chamberlain

This is a fun matchup, anchored around James Harden versus Dwyane Wade. The guards matchup is prb in favor overall to Gandalfe, because Harden is a beast. However, playing Harden on his weakside, making him go to his right, has been proven to work, provided the opposition has enough offensive firepower. Run Harden into Gasol or Wallace in the paint, or force him to kick out to…Barkley or Parker? Not very threatening. In my case, Dwyane Wade led NBA guards in blocks (1.3/game) during his time because he would play off his defender and catch him at the rim.
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Wade also averaged 2.2 steals a game over his career. Kidd versus Parker is pretty even, but I think Kidd was more versatile, averaged a career double-double and 107 career triple-doubles.
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However, much of Parker’s success depended on the other two in his menage-a-trois, Duncan and Ginobili. I’ve got Ginobili on my bench, btw. So Parker would then rely on Barkley and Wilt as his trio? I’m not seeing that work. Harden needs to have the ball in his hands too much to make Parker relevant.


Just for fun, can you imagine Charles Barkley trying to run up and down the court, chasing ‘Nique?
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In the front court: Gasol is one inch-short than Wilt, but I think Pau’s overall offensive game was more well-rounded. Wilt could hit a 3pt hook shot, had a great fadeaway; Gasol flourished in the Triangle Offense, could hit a spot-up 3 reliably, and had great finishing for a big guy. Not to mention he was a rebounding beast, averaging a career double-double. There’s been a lot of doubt cast on Wilt’s stats, to be sure, but whether they were inflated or not, Wilt was a BEAST. If Gasol gets tired, I'll throw Embiid at him and make Wilt come out of the paint, leaving space for Wade to do his thing.

Benchwise, Gandalfe’s choice of Rick Barry is questionable. No one liked him, he was toxic; backing up Harden would bruise his ego, and I just don’t see him being effective. That really messes with a team's chemistry. But boy what a cool trick with that underhanded free throw.

Porzingas hasn’t done anything yet, and this draft is about achievement not potential. Wallace and Millsap are both hard-nosed defenders, willing to get into scrap, and would wear McHale down. The Pink Unicorn (or whatever his nickname is) would prb get injured, IDK.

***All in all, this is a fairly even matchup of two better-than-average but not really "All-Time" teams. My argument is that my team has better chemistry, Kidd is a better leader than Harden or Parker, Wade was a prolific clutch scorer, Wallace literally fought to win at all costs, and Gasol is a decent match for Wilt. My bench is more athletic and better adapted to run-and-gun.***
 
This one's hard because I don't like either team.

Putting Harden with 4 non shooters...oof. Charles at SF...oof. Parker playing off ball...oof.

Embiid playing at all in this...oof. He hasn't played a full season. UB is the better fit team.

Hmm, not sure on this one.
 
I guess if I put Embiid on the bench then he is basically counted the same to me as Porzingis. Both of which count as little to nothing to me. Neither has ever had a healthy full season of any worth yet. Both are still just potential. I guess I could do the same for the other team and push Barkley to PF, where he should be and start Rick Barry at his natural position of SF. I would lean towards Gandalfe if I did that.

Feels like I should count it against teams for the lineups they choose. Which I guess hurts UB the most because Embiid doesnt count for much.

So I talked myself into Gandalfe while typing this...
 
Perhaps a good ol’ appeal to emotion, gentlemen...

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Who would win in a 7 game series?

Gandalfe

PG: Tony Parker/Bob Cousy
SG: James Harden/Rick Barry
SF: Charles Barkley/Sam Jones
PF: Kevin McHale/Kristaps Porzingas
C: Wilt Chamberlain/Mark Eaton

UB

PG: Jason Kidd/Baron Davis
SG: Dwayne Wade/Manu Ginobli
SF: Dominique Wilkins/Ben Gordon
PF: Pau Gasol/Paul Milsap
C: Joel Embiid/Rasheed Wallace
Hey Gandalfe, kinda ****ed up man. I sent you my line up with Gasol starting here. People are voting on my starters, and you listed them incorrectly.
 
This one's hard because I don't like either team.

Putting Harden with 4 non shooters...oof. Charles at SF...oof. Parker playing off ball...oof.

Embiid playing at all in this...oof. He hasn't played a full season. UB is the better fit team.

Hmm, not sure on this one.

I listened to feedback from round 1 and thus decided to start Gasol and bench Embiid. But my man @gandalfe forgot to update the OP.
 
I guess if I put Embiid on the bench then he is basically counted the same to me as Porzingis. Both of which count as little to nothing to me. Neither has ever had a healthy full season of any worth yet. Both are still just potential. I guess I could do the same for the other team and push Barkley to PF, where he should be and start Rick Barry at his natural position of SF. I would lean towards Gandalfe if I did that.

Feels like I should count it against teams for the lineups they choose. Which I guess hurts UB the most because Embiid doesnt count for much.

So I talked myself into Gandalfe while typing this...

Bro you’re acting like Embiid missed 50 games last year. He missed 18. Over 64 games he averaged 27.5, 13.6, 3.7, 1.9, and over 10 free throws a game.
 
Bro you’re acting like Embiid missed 50 games last year. He missed 18. Over 64 games he averaged 27.5, 13.6, 3.7, 1.9, and over 10 free throws a game.

Plus he missed playoff games and was not good in the playoffs. I assume this competition is more like the playoffs. Embiid has not done much with his career yet.
 
That is exactly my point.

But your point is full of hyperbole. He’s been 2nd team all nba. His stats are great. He’s the engine of that 50+ win team. He helped take the eventual nba champs to a crazy hard fought seven games.

Say he’s too banged up too often for you. But to say he’s proven nothing is ridiculous.
 
But your point is full of hyperbole. He’s been 2nd team all nba. His stats are great. He’s the engine of that 50+ win team. He helped take the eventual nba champs to a crazy hard fought seven games.

Say he’s too banged up too often for you. But to say he’s proven nothing is ridiculous.

He missed a lot of regular season games, 19 is a significant number. He had multiple other all-stars on his team to help get them to that record. When it mattered in the playoffs he was banged up and did not play all that well due to being injured. Against the NBA champs the 76ers went to 7 games but he really only had 1 good game in that series. He shot terrible in game 7 and maybe shot his team out of it going 6 for 18. He shot 36% in that series against Toronto for 17 points and 4 turnovers per game. It was not a great series for him, he is a big reason they lost.

He is still mostly potential until he stays healthy and proves himself more in the playoffs.
 
Then what’s Gobert proven? He’s gotten no further in the playoffs. He scores waaaay less, rebounds less, gets less assists...
 
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