I can read. I read your OP. I know you think that. But I'm not blind or unrealistic. I judge Trump on my own observations and values. I believe he's a softie, loves people, even his critics. I believe he wants to do his job, and would like the appreciation and support of others, and he's not going to just roll over exactly for anyone.... but I do worry he will give way too much, more than I would.
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I can read. I read your OP. I know you think that. But I'm not blind or unrealistic. I judge Trump on my own observations and values. I believe he's a softie, loves people, even his critics. I believe he wants to do his job, and would like the appreciation and support of others, and he's not going to just roll over exactly for anyone.... but I do worry he will give way too much, more than I would.
Lol.
They got no uranium. So your statement is false. You know it's false and you continue to say it with the intention of misleading people. You do that because you are dishonest.
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you must be off your nut. Pretty hard to believe you can't read anything, and don't believe anything except apologetics for your little cause.
you call things opposite of what they are. who knows why.
But hell, most of the people in here are just as delusional.
US proven reserves of Uranium. The Russians own them now. Don't go on calling me a liar when yoiu are batass crazy to do so. It doesn't do you or your zombies any good.
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Wow, a softie. You think a softie would direct a terrorist organization like ICE to separate babies from their mothers and put children in virtual prisons? Take off your blinders, Babe.
Red
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How Trump's paranoia and conspiracy theories become US policy....
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/politics/trump-conspiracy-theories-jeffrey-epstein/index.html
The mind of Donald J. Trump. So normal. Well, conspiracy thinking has overtaken the popular imagination, and he's not the brightest:
1. Sen. Cruz's dad involved in JFK murder.
2. Justice Scalia may have been murdered.
3. Joe Scarborough involved in intern's death.
4. Clinton aide's death not a suicide.
5. Obama not an American citizen.
6. Sen. Rubio not eligible to run for president.
7. Sen. Cruz not eligible to run for president.
8. Obama wiretapped Trump Tower.
9. Muslim Americans celebrated on 9/11.
10. Millions voted illegally in 2016.
11. Global Warming a Chinese hoax.
12. Vaccines cause autism.
13. Windmills cause cancer.
14. Death toll from Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico was a lie.
15. Russia did not interfere in 2016 election.
16. The Clinton's are behind Epstein's death.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/politics/trump-conspiracy-theories-jeffrey-epstein/index.html
The mind of Donald J. Trump. So normal. Well, conspiracy thinking has overtaken the popular imagination, and he's not the brightest:
1. Sen. Cruz's dad involved in JFK murder.
2. Justice Scalia may have been murdered.
3. Joe Scarborough involved in intern's death.
4. Clinton aide's death not a suicide.
5. Obama not an American citizen.
6. Sen. Rubio not eligible to run for president.
7. Sen. Cruz not eligible to run for president.
8. Obama wiretapped Trump Tower.
9. Muslim Americans celebrated on 9/11.
10. Millions voted illegally in 2016.
11. Global Warming a Chinese hoax.
12. Vaccines cause autism.
13. Windmills cause cancer.
14. Death toll from Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico was a lie.
15. Russia did not interfere in 2016 election.
16. The Clinton's are behind Epstein's death.
JazzyFresh
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When were these cages made?
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Who said anything about "cages"? Why distort the picture to the extreme? Have you read the descriptions and seen the pictures? They are prisons and could be likened to "concentration camps":
https://www.google.com/search?q=Dic...AAAA&zx=1565619767584#dobs=concentration camp
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Several of those could be true:
1. More than just Vince Foster committed suicide and there are questions about whether or not he did or was murdered.
2. It has been found that it is not the vaccines that directly cause autism but that some vaccines cause problems in the gut that are linked to autism
3. If Russia interfered, I'd like to know how they interfered. That question has never been adequately answered. Revealing the Clinton emails had little bearing on the outcome of the election, and more than likely it was not the Russians but Seth Rich who gave the information to Wikileaks. Otherwise, I wish someone would tell me how they interfered. No one has as yet explained this.
JazzyFresh
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Where were you hypocrites when my good friend was put deported at the age of 14? Nobody gave a **** then? You think he was coddled, not put in an actual jail, and sent home with nothing?
And Im not getting into the concentration camp nonsense. These "prisons" were built long before even Obama. No outrage then.
And Im not getting into the concentration camp nonsense. These "prisons" were built long before even Obama. No outrage then.
I know that some have been calling ICE, a government law enforcement agency, a "terrorist organization". It operates under US law enacted by the US House of Representatives, The US Senate, and signed by a US President according to what is required by the US Constitution. Your position makes our government out to be a "terrorist organization".
rhetoric like this discredits you, and your political affiliations. It doesn't look good on you.
I disagree with a lot of US laws so enacted, and a lot of the programs and policies of the US government, but until my views become something my representatives are willing to consider, I recognize that they are behaving in a manner which is tolerated by enough US citizens who are willing to keep voting for the bums, so to speak.
And, apparently, there are a lot of unconcerned folks who are willing to come here in ways not presently legal, who hardly fear your alledged "terrorist organization" enough to be deterred from their illegal entry. Willing to take their chances with the "terrorist organization" so to speak.
There has been a sort of intellectual movement promoting the idea of "open borders" for the US for some time. I think the idea was even advocated by Karl Marx, as a way to a better world. Even Hillary Clinton has let it out on an occasion or two that she would like a world without borders.
I don't agree. It is useless to infer that people who don't agree with you are wearing "blinders" when for their own reasons they don't agree with you, after looking at available facts and coming to a different conclusion.
I am concerned about a lot of stuff government bureaucrats, and elected officials do, Even cops acting under the color of law, sometimes doing stuff I don't think is right. But "terrorists" are folks who for a political cause throw bombs and hijack public transportation with armed force and threaten to kill people without reference to law, without "color of law". They mean to use such actions to make the public fearful for their safety, for their rights, for the cause of challenging established institutions of governance, asserting their own force by weapons upon the public.
I think calling government officials "terrorists" is basically, conceptually, logically.... untrue.
I don't know why you are unconcerned about Hillary's rhetoric in saying her husband was opposed by "a vast rightwing conspiracy", or about political agenda wonds generally asserting evil motives and crap against all kinds of public officials, corporate execs, and any of thousands of classes of humans deemed evil for one thing or another.
I recognize rhetorical arguments used in political campaigns as generally offerings to voters who may feel concerned, whether there is conclusive proof about the concerns or not. I don't think politicians believe their own rhetoric much. Basically, it amounts to political blatherings to show sympathy for those who are concerned, whether their concerns are well-founded or not.
I also don't believe used car salesmen really believe half of what they say in a sales pitch.
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Maybe the president would get less outrage if he were less of a douchebag.
Or maybe times change.
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There's something to this.
If tens of millions of people thought I was racist, it would bother me. So much so, that it would change my behavior. And I think that's fair advice for anyone.
This is, nevertheless, a fun list. Why would anyone believe any of these things. OK, here's a few reasons....
1. Someone dug up some old pics, and did some superficial research on Cruz's dad. It showed the dad with some others who figure somehow in the events..... yah, no fingerprints on rifle, no bullet unique to the barreling pattern of that rifle. Just maybe someone who could have talked to someone involved..... yah, some people have questions. Trump found the pic and raised the question.....
2. Scalia, so far as people understood, died suddenly and some people wondered why. No information. No investigation was done. "may have been" is a statement that asserts possibility, not fact. Who knows.
3. I don't know anything about Joe or the intern. Statements like this need some reasoning. Red does not even give reasoning for his thinking here. Damn wonk.
4. I think there's some kind of count on suicides among Clinton associates.... some huge number, like in the sixties. The Clintons appear to be a suicide statistical cluster. A lot of scientists who notice statical clusters of say, cancer deaths or heart attacks, will propose research studies on the question, and get grants from NIH. A lot of ordinary folks just think something stinks.
9. There were reports about this, by people in the hood, so to speak. Of course, it was only aired on a few radio programs. Stuff was out there, about how the Israelis cleared out their offices before the planes came, about how in some NY clusters of muslims, it was known something was going to happen. No big guvmint investigation to determine the facts, or what investigation was done didn't address these rumors...... but again.... something some Americans had heard.
10. Probably the truth, if you consider California's voter registration practices and ballot collection practices. Hardly a system that could be audited. Nobody really policing voter registration drives. And pretty much the trend in a lot of predominantly dem areas. Nobody even comparing population stats with voter turnout in some places. As a statistical rule, in a binary ballot issue where Americans are concerned, voting that runs greater than 85% one way is pushing the credulousity limit. Maybe in Utah, the Mormons all vote for Mitt, but most Americans just don't really run like lemmings all the same way. There have been no really thorough efforts, anywhere, to prosecute voter fraud.
A more serious issue would be the ideological mindset of political wonks influenced by Marx, or various "community organizers" who actually believe it a moral good to use whatever tactics they can for their "cause".
5. Well, this is an outright strawman, Red. No one I know of has exactly said he was not "An American Citizen". I think the birthers were talking about whether he was born on US soil or to parents who were already US Citizens. Obama was a bit wonky about publishing his birth certificate. Some say he was born in Kenya or some where else. Some say his parents were communists. Some found pics of him in Indonesia as a schoolboy. I had not heard where Trump asserted this theory, but here in the US I believe it was started by Hillary Clinton. Political rhetoric, for whatever it's worth.
6 and 7. born to parents with possible foreign citizenship. No proofs given about US citizenship of parents, to that time, nor to the present that I know of. Fun stuff. Making other candidates go get birth certificates and prove their eligibility. Wonder why nobody really cared. Oh, yah. Obama didn't care either.
8. Looks like the facts have been brought to the public that a FISA warrant was issued on a Trump campaign aide, and the surveillance of phone conversations of the entire Trump campaign team was actually done. uh.... no damn hidden microphone in an office planter with a little tropical sorta plant like in the old days. Just recording every damn phone call via US government agency personnel. On a trumped up fake dossier paid for by Hillary through her law firm. Was Obama involved in the scheme..... a real possibility because he used Brennan literally as an errand boy to do stuff normally done by other government personnel.... like go talk to Putin as say a State Department or Embassy official normally would do, to get Putin to pull some troopes outta Syria. Now who the hell would ever expect Putin to be so open to the head of our CIA? oh, yah. Brennan lived in Moscow for years, and was someone Putin would talk to.
9. Pretty sure thing. Maybe not dancing in the streets, or maybe just in some little neighborhood where it was OK. The rumors were out there. The rumors also ran about how the Israelis vacated their offices in the tower that day. The rumors also ran about how the buildings were sold the month before.
10. Nobody is really doing much about voter fraud. Some places have adopted practices that practically invite it. California, for example. A lot could be said about this. But more importantly, it's useless if not hypocritical to diss this when you're in a political crowd that actually advocates open borders and equal rights for non-citizens.
11. This is a laugh, actually. I know the Chinese officially believe in global warming, but they hardly started this hoax. Trump is just pointing out the high-level support the Chinese are giving to promote the idea here in the USA. Trump knowing they're doint that justifies his characterization that they are supporting the gw cause. So again, you're pretty much wrong this demonstrates something actually not factual.
12. Some studies have been done, and disbelieved by some. In epidemiological terms, there are some anecdotal incidents and the parents who have seen their child suddenly develop symptoms shortly after vaccination at least deserve sympathy. Red, this betrays your utter inability to harbor ordinary empathy for the catastrophic suffering of humans whose lives have been devastated under circumstances that deserve understanding.
13. I've never heard this one. Pretty sure Trump is not offering any science in support of this. Considering the reliability of political wonk news items..... you haven't got any link to support this one, have you?
14. I think he questioned the figures in the news. Maybe his staff has had some official reports by now. Is he still saying this? Again, this is hardly a major item in his thinking. Pretty sure, when his people bring him some official stats, he listens. Maybe asks how reliable the reports are. This is not an unusaul sort of question.
15. Well, so far as his own involvement, it seems the report is in, he was not involved. Now, who knows about Hillary or Obama or Brennan. At this point I think he knows the Russians always are trying to do stuff.....but he was simply addressing the specific case of his own experience. and he was right about that.
16. One tweet. Wow. and he simply mused about the possibility, like a lot of other people. Epstein was in trouble. A lot of very rich folks were concerned about what he could say. I'd say he's entitled to ask the question, considering the statistical cluster of suicide incidence around the Clintons. We should approve some kind of scientific research to investigate why. There must be something in the air in the room when the Clintons are talking to their friends, some kind of pheromone being exuded from Hillary that causes people to go suicidal.
This would be a great scientific breakthrough in understanding what causes suicide.
@Red : you're a barrel of laughs. really.
If we would just get this interested in every politician. If we gave every politician "The Trump Dump Treatment", maybe we'd have a better government. But really, we need to do this on all our government bureaucrats too. And our cops. That would really make the world a better place.
We'd probably have to use straws..... like have a lottery to appoint all our government officials, and it's be a scourge.... an evil day in the life of a citizen.... to be picked for President. Sort of like being called to be a Mormon Bishop. People would move offshore to make themselves ineligible for office, or government service....
But we'd have fewer sociopaths bearing down on us, and that would make it a better way for sure.
Heathme
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Can’t Stop, Won’t Stop: Unhinged MSNBCers Keep Comparing Trump to Hitler
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/n...t-stop-unhinged-msnbcers-keep-comparing-trump
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Red
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Don't concern yourself with whose rhetoric I am concerned with. I believe your opinion, offered here more then once, that Trump cares so much, for even his opponents, has convinced a few of us that you are detached from the realities of what is happening in our country at this time. Yet, am I concerned with your lack of concern for those realities? Not at all. So, do yourself a favor, and trouble yourself with things that concern you, not me.
Colton laid out a challenge for "unbelievers" in his DumpTrump gospel to try to defend their position. But as usual, rather than actually deal with the points, trying to discuss things with reason, it goes pretty quick to personal attacks, and slurs.
You simply refuse to deal with the information that is now out about our other politicians whose actions have been everything Trump has been accused of, because you don't care about.....well, are not prepared to deal with.... the principles involved.
Simply wanting to dump Trump is no great cause. Asserting principles that all politicians should adhere to for public acceptance is a great cause.
I think you could make your case by pursuing the evils other politicians have done, including the recent instances during the last elections, and showing Trump to be like that as well. Using information that shows the connection. Evidence.... facts.... . But when you will only discuss the charges against Trump, and you are not making a reasonable effort to vet those charges, it really hurts
your cause.
The media sources you run with have been losing credibility, even though Trump is no saint, by failing to keep themselves objective and presenting the case with some effort to be fair.
That should give you cause for a pause.
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