Gun control myths and info

[Safetydan]

There is no argument. He’s had two posts. One doubles down on a factually incorrect statement and the other is the repeating bumper sticker slogan.

What point?

Most of the rest of us have offered specific suggestions and discussed policy.

His posts were rightfully slapped down.

Yeah cool. Im only stating that imprecise language detracts from whatever point he may have had in a general sense. Just trying to be helpful.

 

[Getting Traded]

You're right, most of them were semi-automatic weapons. Does that make that much of difference though? Are you saying that most modern guns are semi-automatic, because if so then I did have some misunderstanding of that particular issue. But I see it as minor compared to the main point which is the lack of control and regulation of gun ownership.

Rightfully slapped down ... lol. My point is it's insanity to use the second amendment to justifying the availability of so many guns in our society and it's the reason so many people are dying as a result. That's it and I can back that up with stats. Semi or auto, that's really not the point. The point is that the NRA, the gun lobby, supports this so they can sell more guns and make more money and they don't care who gets hurt or how many people die.

 

[bigb]

Rightfully slapped down ... lol. My point is it's insanity to use the second amendment to justifying the availability of so many guns in our society and it's the reason so many people are dying as a result. That's it and I can back that up with stats. Semi or auto, that's really not the point. The point is that the NRA, the gun lobby, supports this so they can sell more guns and make more money and they don't care who gets hurt or how many people die.

If you want people to take you serious, start with making sure you know what you’re talking about. Use correct terminology and know what those terms mean. I wouldn’t talk to a cardiologist about my arthritic ankle.


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[Heathme]

Most of those myths are true. What a croc. No I didn't watch the video. The facts speak for themselves when you compare the numbers to nations who have gun control. And show me some examples in which concealed carry actually saved lives instead of caused people to die?

Watch some videos and you may learn something...

 

[Heathme]

 

[Stoked]

Rightfully slapped down ... lol. My point is it's insanity to use the second amendment to justifying the availability of so many guns in our society and it's the reason so many people are dying as a result. That's it and I can back that up with stats. Semi or auto, that's really not the point. The point is that the NRA, the gun lobby, supports this so they can sell more guns and make more money and they don't care who gets hurt or how many people die.

You have provided nothing of substance. Nothing. You started by showing your ignorance on the subject (not an insult, simply you’re ignorant about guns) and then you parroted a talking point.

NRA bad! Guns bad! Gun control now!

That’s not a point. What gun control measures do you want and why? How do you get there? Is it important to know the functionality and terminology of firearms before you attempt to ban or limit them? Why or why not?

If you have a point then actually make it.

 

[Heathme]

 

[Getting Traded]

You have provided nothing of substance. Nothing. You started by showing your ignorance on the subject (not an insult, simply you’re ignorant about guns) and then you parroted a talking point.

NRA bad! Guns bad! Gun control now!

That’s not a point. What gun control measures do you want and why? How do you get there? Is it important to know the functionality and terminology of firearms before you attempt to ban or limit them? Why or why not?

If you have a point then actually make it.

I think I have mentioned that the point is getting guns out of people who shouldn't have them: mentally-ill people with records of violence; criminals with records of violence; people who have public records of threatening others, like some people here on Jazzfanz. Certainly assault weapons should not be owned by civilians. I even think that some in law enforcement should not carry a weapon; some of those individuals would be former soldiers who might be suffering PTSD. A lot of former servicemen go into law enforcement; they should be examined for PTSD and if they are suffering from it, then they should be given office jobs or social service work that does not require the use of a weapon. In the UK many law enforcement officers do not carry weapons and as a result only about 3 persons per year in a population of 60 million suffer death by gun fire from police. In the U.S. it's more than 1,000. In fact, in the UK only about 50 persons suffer death from fire arms per year -- that's because they have strict gun control. Same thing in Australia where they put in place strict gun control after some mass murders in the 1990s -- deaths went way down. Why are you attacking me because I made a minor error on automatic and semi-automatic weapons. Ridiculous. That is not the point in any case. I made my point earlier. The ****n NRA is a lobbyist for gun manufacturers who only care about making money and not how many people get killed and they pay off legislators to prevent laws that will control the sale of gun and put a dent in their profits. That's the ****ing point and there is no other. The second amendment is archaic and should be removed from the Constitution.

 

[Stoked]

I think I have mentioned that the point is getting guns out of people who shouldn't have them: mentally-ill people with records of violence; criminals with records of violence; people who have public records of threatening others, like some people here on Jazzfanz. Certainly assault weapons should not be owned by civilians. I even think that some in law enforcement should not carry a weapon; some of those individuals would be former soldiers who might be suffering PTSD. A lot of former servicemen go into law enforcement; they should be examined for PTSD and if they are suffering from it, then they should be given office jobs or social service work that does not require the use of a weapon. In the UK many law enforcement officers do not carry weapons and as a result only about 3 persons per year in a population of 60 million suffer death by gun fire from police. In the U.S. it's more than 1,000. In fact, in the UK only about 50 persons suffer death from fire arms per year -- that's because they have strict gun control. Same thing in Australia where they put in place strict gun control after some mass murders in the 1990s -- deaths went way down. Why are you attacking me because I made a minor error on automatic and semi-automatic weapons. Ridiculous. That is not the point in any case. I made my point earlier. The ****n NRA is a lobbyist for gun manufacturers who only care about making money and not how many people get killed and they pay off legislators to prevent laws that will control the sale of gun and put a dent in their profits. That's the ****ing point and there is no other. The second amendment is archaic and should be removed from the Constitution.

You provided nothing earlier. You slammed your hands on a keyboard a bunch of times and pretended it had value. It didn’t.

Here, you are actually starting to provide some meat. Finally

You want, I think, a full assault weapons ban, tougher requirements to become a police officer, and a total repeal of the second amendment. Is that correct?

Few points. In America we don’t assign people jobs. They can have any job they can get. If vets don’t want social service jobs they don’t have to. It seemed that you stated we should just place them in those jobs. But that’s a side tangent we can ignore.

Gun confiscation, is that part of your plan for a repeal of the 2nd amendment? Or just a gradual drawdown through no more sales and removing any gun owned by someone who commits any crime.

You also talk about records of violence and threatening speech. Is there a cut off? Like if some dude gets in a fist fight do we take his guns?

Basically you just want no firearms, correct?

I’ll agree with what I think/hope your broader point is about the NRA. They suck and lobbying, not just them, should be dramatically restricted.

Also, again I’m expanding under a shaky assumption that we agree. Tying medical records to background checks and jobs that require the use of a firearm.

 

[NAOS]

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A place for conservatives, doe

 

[candrew]

I love the not so soft bigotry in this video. He keeps repeating that "80% of gun violence is drug related" and then immediately references urban cities (New Orleans, Chicago) or showing black people. He literally does it every time. LOL - we get it proud boy.

And another thing, and the left is just as guilty of this: These hard cut videos consisting of snide remarks wrapped around the same factoids over and over - when did this become a representation of an actual intelligent rebuttal? Who are the dumbasses that are actually compelled by this?

 

[Safetydan]

I love the not so soft bigotry in this video. He keeps repeating that "80% of gun violence is drug related" and then immediately references urban cities (New Orleans, Chicago) or showing black people. He literally does it every time. LOL - we get it proud boy.

And another thing, and the left is just as guilty of this: These hard cut videos consisting of snide remarks wrapped around the same factoids over and over - when did this become a representation of an actual intelligent rebuttal? Who are the dumbasses that are actually compelled by this?

Good question.

 

[Heathme]

 

[Heathme]

A place for conservatives, doe

Yep, I made one page for conservatives out of the 25+ for everyone else. Is that scary to you NAOS?

 

[NAOS]

Yep, I made one page for conservatives out of the 25+ for everyone else. Is that scary to you NAOS?

Wow, you pushed the “fear” button pretty fast in this interaction. I wonder where you picked up on that meme? Be less dumb, pls.

 

[Getting Traded]

You provided nothing earlier. You slammed your hands on a keyboard a bunch of times and pretended it had value. It didn’t.

Here, you are actually starting to provide some meat. Finally

You want, I think, a full assault weapons ban, tougher requirements to become a police officer, and a total repeal of the second amendment. Is that correct?

Few points. In America we don’t assign people jobs. They can have any job they can get. If vets don’t want social service jobs they don’t have to. It seemed that you stated we should just place them in those jobs. But that’s a side tangent we can ignore.

Gun confiscation, is that part of your plan for a repeal of the 2nd amendment? Or just a gradual drawdown through no more sales and removing any gun owned by someone who commits any crime.

You also talk about records of violence and threatening speech. Is there a cut off? Like if some dude gets in a fist fight do we take his guns?

Basically you just want no firearms, correct?

I’ll agree with what I think/hope your broader point is about the NRA. They suck and lobbying, not just them, should be dramatically restricted.

Also, again I’m expanding under a shaky assumption that we agree. Tying medical records to background checks and jobs that require the use of a firearm.

You're getting into details beyond what I have mentioned. I just brought up the basics. The nitty-gritty has to be reviewed and discussed and their pros and cons. I agree about lobbying, not just the NRA. I don't believe we need to confiscate guns. That would be impossible in any case, just try to limit their possession from unstable and violent people, and certain types of guns like assault weapons should only be for use by the military. We don't need a second amendment; we don't have one for people to possess cars, do we, and they can be deadly. But we do strictly regulate them, which makes sense. So far as the police, I think an investigation or study needs to be done of some of the individuals who hastily shot and killed unarmed individuals. I would not be surprised if they were suffering the effects of PTSD from their time in the military. Such individuals should not be allowed to carry a weapon; some people don't have the mental constitution to carry one, like me, for instance. I would never want to carry a gun unless I was in the middle of the jungle surrounded by predators.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

You're getting into details beyond what I have mentioned. I just brought up the basics. The nitty-gritty has to be reviewed and discussed and their pros and cons. I agree about lobbying, not just the NRA. I don't believe we need to confiscate guns. That would be impossible in any case, just try to limit their possession from unstable and violent people, and certain types of guns like assault weapons should only be for use by the military. We don't need a second amendment; we don't have one for people to possess cars, do we, and they can be deadly. But we do strictly regulate them, which makes sense. So far as the police, I think an investigation or study needs to be done of some of the individuals who hastily shot and killed unarmed individuals. I would not be surprised if they were suffering the effects of PTSD from their time in the military. Such individuals should not be allowed to carry a weapon; some people don't have the mental constitution to carry one, like me, for instance. I would never want to carry a gun unless I was in the middle of the jungle surrounded by predators.

Cars are far from strict regulations, quite the opposite. Of guns were regulated as loosely as vehicles then we'd all probably be dead.

 

[Getting Traded]

Cars are far from strict regulations, quite the opposite. Of guns were regulated as loosely as vehicles then we'd all probably be dead.

Really? You have to take a driving test to get a license with your picture on it and you have to register your car annually. They don't do that for guns.

 

[fishonjazz]

Really? You have to take a driving test to get a license with your picture on it and you have to register your car annually. They don't do that for guns.

Not to mention safety inspections and emmisions, and all the driving laws (speeding etc) being watched by cops.



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[Heathme]