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2020 Voter Turnout?

Will Impeachment Affect Turnout?

  • Yes, Many more Republicans Will Vote.

    Votes: 1 11.1%

  • Yes, Many more Democrats Will Vote.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes, Both Democrats and Republicans Will Vote More.

    Votes: 6 66.7%

  • No.

    Votes: 1 11.1%

  • Less Democrats Will Vote.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Less Republicans Will Vote.

    Votes: 1 11.1%

  • Everyone Will Vote Less.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
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I think the scenario in and of itself won't have much of an impact on voting either way. Now, if he gets impeached, whether convicted or not, I think that would motivate both sides to increase the vote.
 
One Brow said:
I'm not sure what an "attempted impeachment" is, but I doubt Pelosi calls on the House to vote for impeachment without being absolutely sure of the vote.

However, if the pre-impeachment hearings wind up leading to nothing, I don't see a big effect on the vote.
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I thought that the house could vote for impeachment and then it has to go through the Republican controlled Senate or something.

Is that incorrect?

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fishonjazz said:
What if there is an attempted impeachment but not an actual impeachment? How do you think the swing voters would vote in that scenario?

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One Brow said:
I'm not sure what an "attempted impeachment" is, but I doubt Pelosi calls on the House to vote for impeachment without being absolutely sure of the vote.

However, if the pre-impeachment hearings wind up leading to nothing, I don't see a big effect on the vote.
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They could certainly get enough votes to impeach simply along party lines. To remove him, however, is something totally different. Often people conflate the two. He is not going to be removed. That would require like 20+ Republican and all independents to vote to remove, plus all Democrats. So the question is if impeaching, but not removing him, would affect the Democrats in 2020, or if that would just be another let-down that gets spun as a moral victory but doesn't reach the goal in everyone's minds currently (which is removal rather than just impeachment).

As an aside, people who hated Clinton (and Obama) looked really silly when their wishful fantasies had them believing that Clinton being arrested was just around the corner! Every turn, there was reassurance of how she was about to be brought down because of ____ (and Obama, too). Yes, I get it, "but this is different!" Ultimately, he won't be removed. The goal-post will shift, another "constitutional crisis" will arise and that one is really going to take him down! Just like Clinton. If the right could have been more self-reflective about their wishful fantasies being just that, they could have saved themselves a lot of embarrassment. When the tables turn, the left is as self-reflective as those they despise. Yeah, "but it's different!!" Bottom line is that he won't be removed from office, and those arguing that he will be will have some spin on the corruption of why he wasn't (when it never comes to fruition).
 
infection said:
They could certainly get enough votes to impeach simply along party lines. To remove him, however, is something totally different. Often people conflate the two. He is not going to be removed. That would require like 20+ Republican and all independents to vote to remove, plus all Democrats. So the question is if impeaching, but not removing him, would affect the Democrats in 2020, or if that would just be another let-down that gets spun as a moral victory but doesn't reach the goal in everyone's minds currently (which is removal rather than just impeachment).

As an aside, people who hated Clinton (and Obama) looked really silly when their wishful fantasies had them believing that Clinton being arrested was just around the corner! Every turn, there was reassurance of how she was about to be brought down because of ____ (and Obama, too). Yes, I get it, "but this is different!" Ultimately, he won't be removed. The goal-post will shift, another "constitutional crisis" will arise and that one is really going to take him down! Just like Clinton. If the right could have been more self-reflective about their wishful fantasies being just that, they could have saved themselves a lot of embarrassment. When the tables turn, the left is as self-reflective as those they despise. Yeah, "but it's different!!" Bottom line is that he won't be removed from office, and those arguing that he will be will have some spin on the corruption of why he wasn't (when it never comes to fruition).
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I think impeachment carries more weight than you do even if he isn't removed.

Bill Clinton being impeached but not removed was a huge stain on him as a president and his legacy and affected how people viewed him imo. Lying under oath and obstruction of Justice still mattered to some people (I think) and Trump getting impeached will (and should) matter is as well.

If you still support and vote for Trump after an impeachment then you are an extra large pile of ****.

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fishonjazz said:
I think impeachment carries more weight than you do even if he isn't removed.

Bill Clinton being impeached but not removed was a huge stain on him as a president and his legacy and affected how people viewed him imo. Lying under oath and obstruction of Justice still mattered to some people (I think) and Trump getting impeached will (and should) matter is as well.

If you still support and vote for Trump after an impeachment then you are an extra large pile of ****.

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All of those things mattered to the right. I think you'd be hard pressed to find people on the left that they mattered to. If they matter now, it's in hindsight. And many people think many other people are large piles of **** for many different voting reasons. I think the bigger thing is to step back and realize people aren't seeing or approaching issues in the same way that you might. I'm not saying that just in relation to Trump and impeachment, but with regard to Clinton, or abortion, or anything where anyone (right or left) thinks someone is a piece of **** because _____, I find it easier to recognize that there are varied perspectives and experiences in this world that it's easier to dialogue with people when I grant that their opinions, though drastically different than mine, may not be coming from the places that my emotions would initially suggest they are coming from.
 
infection said:
All of those things mattered to the right. I think you'd be hard pressed to find people on the left that they mattered to. If they matter now, it's in hindsight. And many people think many other people are large piles of **** for many different voting reasons. I think the bigger thing is to step back and realize people aren't seeing or approaching issues in the same way that you might. I'm not saying that just in relation to Trump and impeachment, but with regard to Clinton, or abortion, or anything where anyone (right or left) thinks someone is a piece of **** because _____, I find it easier to recognize that there are varied perspectives and experiences in this world that it's easier to dialogue with people when I grant that their opinions, though drastically different than mine, may not be coming from the places that my emotions would initially suggest they are coming from.
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I'm just saying that you have two candidates. One with impeachment on their resume and one without. I would think (and hope) that having impeachment on your resume would be a con on the pros and cons list of many many voters. If not, then those voters are piles of ****. A president being impeached should matter to people.



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My wife asked me if a president who has been impeached can run for the president again. I told he I don't know.
Any insights on that inquiry?

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I’d be shocked if we don’t have the largest voter turnout ever.

Dems are dying to vote, I’m sure. They DO NOT want another four years of this ********. I’d guess a decent amount didn’t vote prior because they thought Hilary was going to win relatively easily.

On the flip side, the Republican voters know this. They’re a zealous bunch. And they want to vote for their savior, chest sticking out...and middle finger too to the Dems.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I’d be shocked if we don’t have the largest voter turnout ever.

Dems are dying to vote, I’m sure. They DO NOT want another four years of this ********. I’d guess a decent amount didn’t vote prior because they thought Hilary was going to win relatively easily.

On the flip side, the Republican voters know this. They’re a zealous bunch. And they want to vote for their savior, chest sticking out...and middle finger too to the Dems.
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I agree.
I would love to give the benefit of the doubt to Americans that many of them who supported Trump last election would have given up their support for him by now, partisanship be damned. Especially if he had the impeached asterisk next to his name. It would be very very sad if none of his past supporters stopped supporting him.
I'm an optimist who typically sees the good in people so I'm still going to believe that there is more than just blind partisanship in many republican and Democrat voters and that things like impeachment will still matter to a decent amount of people.

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fishonjazz said:
My wife asked me if a president who has been impeached can run for the president again. I told he I don't know.
Any insights on that inquiry?

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Probably - I know they can run for public office again.

Andrew Johnson was impeached and served in the Senate for several years after he was president.

If they're impeached AND convicted - that might be a different matter.
 
infection said:
They could certainly get enough votes to impeach simply along party lines. To remove him, however, is something totally different. Often people conflate the two. He is not going to be removed. That would require like 20+ Republican and all independents to vote to remove, plus all Democrats. So the question is if impeaching, but not removing him, would affect the Democrats in 2020, or if that would just be another let-down that gets spun as a moral victory but doesn't reach the goal in everyone's minds currently (which is removal rather than just impeachment).

As an aside, people who hated Clinton (and Obama) looked really silly when their wishful fantasies had them believing that Clinton being arrested was just around the corner! Every turn, there was reassurance of how she was about to be brought down because of ____ (and Obama, too). Yes, I get it, "but this is different!" Ultimately, he won't be removed. The goal-post will shift, another "constitutional crisis" will arise and that one is really going to take him down! Just like Clinton. If the right could have been more self-reflective about their wishful fantasies being just that, they could have saved themselves a lot of embarrassment. When the tables turn, the left is as self-reflective as those they despise. Yeah, "but it's different!!" Bottom line is that he won't be removed from office, and those arguing that he will be will have some spin on the corruption of why he wasn't (when it never comes to fruition).
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This is exactly whats going to happen.
 
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