Warren or Sanders?

[LogGrad98]

Sanders has always polled ahead of Trump.

That's what they said about Hillary almost exactly up to the night of the election. I don't think the Dems have anyone with enough gravitas to bring out the voters necessary. Trump's people are just too fanatic and he says just enough that the folks in the middle want to hear. I think unseating him will be a tall order.

 

[Zombie]

That's what they said about Hillary almost exactly up to the night of the election. I don't think the Dems have anyone with enough gravitas to bring out the voters necessary. Trump's people are just too fantastic and he says just enough that the folks in the middle want to hear. I think unseating him will be a tall order.

This is why national polls can be kind of misleading. She did end up getting more votes, so in that sense the polling was accurate. She underperformed in states that play to Bernie's strengths however.

 

[Getting Traded]

Do you ever consider how pathetic you sound when you always resort to insults? Calling people dumb all the time. If you were as smart as you pretend to be you would know that your insults are just a sign of your own lack of mental capacity. Its just a sign of you unable to have deep thoughts. Its a reflection of yourself. Also, It only hurts people lesser than you, and I gotta tell ya it doesnt bother me one bit. Im only telling this to help you. Id rather you be a more formidable opponent. I feel embarrassed for you.

Im sure, like all libs, you are a massive hypocrite too. Remember all the insults youve thrown around here when you tell your child for the first time it isnt nice to call names. Just tell them that daddy is a child too.

Insults are not necessarily a sign of lacking mental capacity. It also can be a matter getting so pissed off with the stupidity and ignorance that some display that the only way you can relieve your anger is to insult someone. Now that might be stupid but anger makes people irrational.

 

[Getting Traded]

That's what they said about Hillary almost exactly up to the night of the election. I don't think the Dems have anyone with enough gravitas to bring out the voters necessary. Trump's people are just too fantastic and he says just enough that the folks in the middle want to hear. I think unseating him will be a tall order.

Trump's people are fantastic? No, it's the electorate that is dumb as a bunch of rocks.

 

[Gameface]

That's what they said about Hillary almost exactly up to the night of the election. I don't think the Dems have anyone with enough gravitas to bring out the voters necessary. Trump's people are just too fantastic and he says just enough that the folks in the middle want to hear. I think unseating him will be a tall order.

I think there are a lot of people VERY energized by the prospect of getting rid of Trump. In 2016 no one expected Trump to win. Many voters sat on their hands because they thought Hillary would waltz into the White House. Now these same people are energized to make sure Trump doesn't get a second term. I think you're extremely underestimating this sentiment.

A bunch of Trump supporters are feeling pretty cocky (rooster-y). They think because they like Trump and aren't bothered at all by his actions, that most Americans are also okay with his behaviour. Buckle up for 2020 friends. If you think Trump is a fun laugh and you've convinced yourself that you're in the majority... well, let's just see.

 

[Gameface]

If there was an international crisis, I want Warren over Sanders.

If I had to chose who had their finger on the Nuclear button, I want Warren over Sanders.

If there was some situation that called for our President to take an action contrary to their ideology because it had to be done, I want Warren over Sanders.

If there was some completely unexpected development that changed the game, I want Warren to deal with it over Sanders.

If there was a diplomatic crisis, I want Warren over Sanders.

So **** you Saint Cy. **** you!

I don't give a **** about being a progressive. I'm not a progressive. I don't care who the better progressive is, because I don't even want the most progressive person to be in charge. So eat my ***.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If there was an international crisis, I want Warren over Sanders.

If I had to chose who had their finger on the Nuclear button, I want Warren over Sanders.

If there was some situation that called for our President to take an action contrary to their ideology because it had to be done, I want Warren over Sanders.

If there was some completely unexpected development that changed the game, I want Warren to deal with it over Sanders.

If there was a diplomatic crisis, I want Warren over Sanders.

So **** you Saint Cy. **** you!

I don't give a **** about being a progressive. I'm not a progressive. I don't care who the better progressive is, because I don't even want the most progressive person to be in charge. So eat my ***.

WHAT? The huge weak-spot for Warren is international policy.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

That's what they said about Hillary almost exactly up to the night of the election. I don't think the Dems have anyone with enough gravitas to bring out the voters necessary. Trump's people are just too fantastic and he says just enough that the folks in the middle want to hear. I think unseating him will be a tall order.

Again, Bernie has the most individual donors of all-time (at any point in an election), 2 years before the election


With next to zero mainstream media support.

 

[LogGrad98]

Trump's people are fantastic? No, it's the electorate that is dumb as a bunch of rocks.

Lol, that's the one word that auto corrected and I missed it. It should have been fanatic. I think GF and zombie figured that out. Not surprised you didn't. I fixed it in the original post.

 

[candrew]

Something I've seen a lot from Bernie fans lately, is that unless you are as far to left as they are you're not a "true" progressive. Which to me seems pretty ahistorical, and reminds me a little bit too much of the purity tests we've seen from the right in recent history. I still support Sanders candidacy of course, but this kind of attitude is a tremendous turnoff to other progressives imo.

Warren is more progressive than any viable Democratic candidate we've had in decades, aside from Sanders. To be clear, Sanders is my first choice right now, but I'm absolutely going to push back on the idea that he's the only true progressive running, and everyone else is some sort of imposter. That kind of mindset makes building coalitions difficult, and I don't find it particularly convincing.

All correct. The Sanders supporters are taking Warren's few moderate stances and magnifying them to epic proportions. Are they going to walk all this back and vote for Warren if she becomes the nominee? Before you answer yes, remember these are the same people that feel the DNC screwed Bernie in 2016.

 

[framer]

All correct. The Sanders supporters are taking Warren's few moderate stances and magnifying them to epic proportions. Are they going to walk all this back and vote for Warren if she becomes the nominee? Before you answer yes, remember these are the same people that feel the DNC screwed Bernie in 2016.

I mean the DNC DID screw Bernie in 2016. . .

 

[One Brow]

All correct. The Sanders supporters are taking Warren's few moderate stances and magnifying them to epic proportions. Are they going to walk all this back and vote for Warren if she becomes the nominee? Before you answer yes, remember these are the same people that feel the DNC screwed Bernie in 2016.

I think the DNC rigged the game slightly for Clinton in 2016, and I'd support any of Warren, Sanders, Harris, etc. I'd even vote for Biden if that's who it is.

 

[fishonjazz]

All correct. The Sanders supporters are taking Warren's few moderate stances and magnifying them to epic proportions. Are they going to walk all this back and vote for Warren if she becomes the nominee? Before you answer yes, remember these are the same people that feel the DNC screwed Bernie in 2016.

Will bernie supporters vote for warren if she wins the nomination? Well i mean if trump is the opponent then he answer is yes


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[fishonjazz]

I think the DNC rigged the game slightly for Clinton in 2016, and I'd support any of Warren, Sanders, Harris, etc. I'd even vote for Biden if that's who it is.

#nevertrump


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[candrew]

#nevertrump


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This is probably my favorite quote from Sam Harris on the 2016 election - for a little perspective, he is far from a Hillary supporter:

I would vote for Hillary on -life support.- I would vote for her if I knew she would die in office the first week. President Tim Kaine is far preferable to President Trump. I'll tell you how bad I think this is. If you gave me a choice to randomly pick an American citizen, or take Trump? I would roll the dice with random citizen. You realize how bad that could turn out? [...] At a minimum, I would expect a randomly chosen, unqualified citizen to be so terrified and awed by the responsibility thrust upon his or her shoulders that they would be desperate to defer to real experts."

 

[NAOS]

If there was an international crisis, I want Warren over Sanders.

If I had to chose who had their finger on the Nuclear button, I want Warren over Sanders.

If there was some situation that called for our President to take an action contrary to their ideology because it had to be done, I want Warren over Sanders.

If there was some completely unexpected development that changed the game, I want Warren to deal with it over Sanders.

If there was a diplomatic crisis, I want Warren over Sanders.

So **** you Saint Cy. **** you!

I don't give a **** about being a progressive. I'm not a progressive. I don't care who the better progressive is, because I don't even want the most progressive person to be in charge. So eat my ***.

I’ll ask again: what evidence are you drawing from in order to reach these conclusions?

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

I think there are a lot of people VERY energized by the prospect of getting rid of Trump. In 2016 no one expected Trump to win. Many voters sat on their hands because they thought Hillary would waltz into the White House. Now these same people are energized to make sure Trump doesn't get a second term. I think you're extremely underestimating this sentiment.

I think most of the people "energized" to get rid of Trump are the people that are going to be voting regardless. At some point, people have to believe in the person they are voting for, not just the person they are trying to get out of office. Obama got a lot of people to the polls, especially African-Americans. Are Warren or Sanders going to drive those same people to the polls? The DNC would be better off backing a likable, charismatic, moderate candidate. Free College, Universal Healthcare, Student Loan Forgiveness, UBI..........these ideas only appeal to certain groups. Has anyone noticed that the Democrats have said virtually nothing about the Economy? The status of the Economy is one of the few topics that everyone is interested in, yet the Democrats are silent on it. If a Democrat announced a realistic plan to balance the budget (Trump has failed here) and promised to do so before implementing any new expensive programs, that is a candidate I could back. We can't keep running trillion dollar deficits and not expect a monumental economic collapse at some point.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think most of the people "energized" to get rid of Trump are the people that are going to be voting regardless. At some point, people have to believe in the person they are voting for, not just the person they are trying to get out of office. Obama got a lot of people to the polls, especially African-Americans. Are Warren or Sanders going to drive those same people to the polls? The DNC would be better off backing a likable, charismatic, moderate candidate. Free College, Universal Healthcare, Student Loan Forgiveness, UBI..........these ideas only appeal to certain groups. Has anyone noticed that the Democrats have said virtually nothing about the Economy? The status of the Economy is one of the few topics that everyone is interested in, yet the Democrats are silent on it. If a Democrat announced a realistic plan to balance the budget (Trump has failed here) and promised to do so before implementing any new expensive programs, that is a candidate I could back. We can't keep running trillion dollar deficits and not expect a monumental economic collapse at some point.

Trump will drive people to the polls to vote against him.
I wouldn't be voting if trump weren't a candidate.

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[candrew]

I think most of the people "energized" to get rid of Trump are the people that are going to be voting regardless. At some point, people have to believe in the person they are voting for, not just the person they are trying to get out of office.

Unfortunately I agree with this 100%. History has shown contempt for a republican incumbent alone has never been enough - Eisenhower in 56, Nixon in 72, certainly Bush in 2004.

There's an old saying - democrats fall in love while republicans fall in line.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

Trump will drive people to the polls to vote against him.
I wouldn't be voting if trump weren't a candidate.

He was a candidate three years ago, did you vote then? Seems like there was a lot of hate for him in 2016 as well. The only difference now is the DNC knows he can win.

Even if many come out to vote against him, doesn't Trump's persona drive out a lot of people, that don't normally vote, who are willing to vote for an off-kilter reality TV star?