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fishonjazz said:
I would still call it being poor.
20 bucks per hour equals about 2400 dollars per month (40 hour weeks) after taxes and insurance.

I don't know the average rent/mortgage but let's say 1300. Then 200 dollar car payment. 100 for electric bill. 100 for gas. 50 bucks auto insurance. 100 cell phone. 50 dollars internet/cable. Water/waste removal another 50 bucks. So now we are at 1950 dollars. Food at 300. Gas for car 50.
Now you have 100 dollars left for any kind of fun or entertainment. And if you also have a family to take care of then you are ****ed. God forbid your furnace goes out or basement floods or anything health issues arise
Now these are obviously ballpark numbers and some are high and some are low but you get the point which is that 20 per hour ain't **** these days.



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Wait, are single dudes paying $1300 for rent? I must be pretty darned blessed!
 
JazzGal said:
The original call has been to ban all vaping products. Some states have started with the flavored products. Since it is the illegal street stuff that is causing the problem, this won't affect the illness and death rates. But it will cause smoking tobacco rates to rise.

Vaping THC laced illegal products are what are negatively affecting users in a relatively short amount of time. Not the legal stuff.
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My wife vaps now, to which I am eternally grateful. When she filled up the bedroom with cigarette smoke, it made sleeping damn near impossible; I have literally gathered up my pillow and a blanket and gone downstairs to sleep on a uncomfortable couch (which is a form of torture in-and-of itself).

I was an environmental engineer for over 30 years and read a lot toxicological studies and research during that time -- thus leading me to conclude that "environmental science" is an oxymoron. Did you know that "one-in-a-million risk" is not a statistical term at all, but is a definition: 'if you assume a safety factor of 10 for unaccounted errors in the rat study, then assume another factor of 10 for extrapolating the rat study to humans, then throw in another factor of 10 for the variability for human sensitivities, then throw in another factor of 10 for children, then assume another factor of 10 because humans live 80 years to a rats 2, then throw in another safety...'

No lie, "one-in-a-million risk" was chosen, not because it was protective of human health, but because it "sounded cool." I spent a lot of time and (the company's) money modeling to show that emission "X" did not pose a greater than one-in-a-million risk at the property boundary. But what the hell, it gave me a good living.

Having said that, I will say that I learned a thing or two working in the field. Now I'm not given into the "dioxin is the most hazardous substance know to man" hyperbole, but I strongly suspect that when you add THC oil (or any oil) to your vap juice, the combustor is going to generate some dioxins and furans, along with other nasties, when it burns the oil. It isn't any wonder to me that some people are more sensitive to these chemicals than the average person.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Um. That was tenth of a second. You're an English teacher right?

Seriously though a lot of people don't know that you generally use 2080 as the regular full time hours in a year to convert an hourly rate to an annual one.
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I do now. Haha!
 
framer said:
Wait, are single dudes paying $1300 for rent? I must be pretty darned blessed!
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If you live in the Salt Lake Valley and want a decent apartment, yes.

Now If I'm a single man, I'm not going to live in a **** hole, but I'll take a nice place in a ****** part of town for cheap all day every day. I bet I could find $700 a month for something I liked a lot. Maybe $900 something for a 2 bedroom so I could have my stuff.
 
Gameface said:
If you live in the Salt Lake Valley and want a decent apartment, yes.

Now If I'm a single man, I'm not going to live in a **** hole, but I'll take a nice place in a ****** part of town for cheap all day every day. I bet I could find $700 a month for something I liked a lot. Maybe $900 something for a 2 bedroom so I could have my stuff.
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I got a 4 bedroom in NW Tucson for a $1100 mortgage. Just got really, really lucky with my timing. I can likely never move.
 
framer said:
I got a 4 bedroom in NW Tucson for a $1100 mortgage. Just got really, really lucky with my timing. I can likely never move.
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We have a 2752 sq ft house near downtown Belleville for $1200/month. It's 140 years old or so, but very charming.
 
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