Mike Conley for Chris Paul?

[mellow]

I partially blame the current mess on fans who wouldn't stop clamoring to trade last years players. Now some are advocating trading the current mess for a different, more expensive and more complicated mess.

If you want to do something productive start a "fire Dennis Lindsey" thread.

 

[Keefe]

If Conley opts out, how much cap space will we have next summer?

 

[mellow]

Wouldn't the opt out be the worst case for the jazz?

 

[jom2003]

I find it amusing with all the talk about trading Conley. The consensus last season was trading for him was the solution to all our problems. I'm still not convinced he wanted to come here and wish we could have been able to sign bogey without him. As it stands, he's here with that albatross of a contract and our "genius" coach has to find a way to make it work. (Which I think he will, but probably not to the championship work.)

Not anywhere close to being consensus at all. Lot of us here were against trading for Conley because of his age, overpriced contract and fit next to DM.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm more concerned about having a 2nd consistent scoring option that can create for himself in the 4th quarter.

Bojan

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[fishonjazz]

Wouldn't the opt out be the worst case for the jazz?

Depends
If he continues to suck then you want him to opt out cause paying sucky players 32 million dollars isn't what you want to do.

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[jom2003]

Wouldn't the opt out be the worst case for the jazz?

Nope. We will just play DM at the point and use that 30mil cap space to go for other free agents to help improve our squad. But Conley is gonna opt in. No way he gets anything more than 15mil a year at the level he is playing right now.

 

[mellow]

Never-mind, I mistakenly thought Jazz would still be capped out if he left and thus it would be better for him to opt-in and trade him for more assets. In fact it appears the Jazz will have some cap flexibility even if he opts in, so an opt out would be a windfall.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Never-mind, I mistakenly thought Jazz would still be capped out if he left and thus it would be better for him to opt-in and trade him for more assets. In fact it appears the Jazz will have some cap flexibility even if he opts in, so an opt out would be a windfall.

he will not be opting out

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I partially blame the current mess on fans who wouldn't stop clamoring to trade last years players. Now some are advocating trading the current mess for a different, more expensive and more complicated mess.

If you want to do something productive start a "fire Dennis Lindsey" thread.

the issue was Favs Ricky Rudy wasn’t gonna work... the change was overdue. Maybe if they’d moved Favs and had a Bojan then we find out Ricky works.

not ready to bury Mike. He’ll be better. I did advocate we look at DM as more of a pg going forward and find a backcourt mate that is less ball dominant. I still think Conley works and DM being able to ease into games and pick his spots has likely aided in his development. I’m not sure if that is Conley or Bojan though.

we need to be patient here even though it’s frustrating.

 

[Eminence]

Mitchell at the point looks like the future to me. CP3 is a better player, but I don't think really solves any fit issues either. Any good forward available? Love/Griffin sorts?

 

[jom2003]

For sure I knew what you meant and didn't mean to come across snarky about it....but with the Raptors decision they were also able to get out the massive contract owed to Derozan. Total win win for them.

And I wouldn't put Conley in the same conversation with Kawhi either.

 

[mellow]

the issue was Favs Ricky Rudy wasn’t gonna work

I understand the sentiment. Limited? Yes. Broken? No. They did have 48 Wins and 2nd round of playoffs, then 50 wins and 1st round exit. The team didn't match-up with Houston. They still don't match-up with Houston. If jazz best 50 wins this season I will eat my hat.

 

[infection]

I understand the sentiment. Limited? Yes. Broken? No. They did have 48 Wins and 2nd round of playoffs, then 50 wins and 1st round exit. The team didn't match-up with Houston. They still don't match-up with Houston. If jazz best 50 wins this season I will eat my hat.

Houston is the absolute least of our concern this year. Whether they got better or worse overall with the Westbrook trade is for others to argue, but our matchup with them got much easier. Had we hit some open shots, we wouldn’t have a 4-1 exit. Yes, they were a matchup problem for us last year. Not this year. This year our matchup problems are both LAs.

 

[Release the Kraken]

And I wouldn't put Conley in the same conversation with Kawhi either.

Totally different situation for sure. Kawhi was a one and done and so was Danny Green - can you even imagine the push-back if they hadn't won a championship. They gave up their best player in Derozan a fabulous young center in Poeltl and a first round pick for a one year rental on a player that stipulated he would not play every game. And look at what the Lakers gambled to get AD for one solid year and the second on a player option. I know some of you think we made a mistake based on an infinitesimally small sample size which is not representative of his statistical averages, but even if that's the case, our exposure is not that bad, particularly when you take into account the guys that signed ridiculously meager deals to come play with him here. We're far from going all in like Toronto and particularly LA did. A career ending injury, our insurance kicks in, LA is back at square one minus Wagner, Ingram, Ball and Hart.

 

[SCS]

jazz fans are getting anxious. we traded 2 firsts, fan favs Jae crowder and korver, and a young piece and are paying Conley > $30M. We went all in on him, and with that in mind he at least deserves to take some criticism. he’s shooting 31%/28%, 4 of his 7 games have as many or more turnovers as assists. His defense has been marginal at best. He has the second highest usage of his career right now, and by far the lowest effectiveness (-OBPM, -BPM, -VORP, -WS). He’s really only had 1 good game of 7 so far, and 4 or 5 simply terrible games, so when that’s the guy you put all your chips in for, there’s gonna be some anxiety there.

Sure. And that anxiety is fine. It's okay to be concerned. I'm just recommending that we avoid complete panic. He has a history of starting seasons slow. The adjustment to a new organization isn't going to help that. Let's just breathe and see how another month or two goes before we push the panic button and discuss trades.

 

[LoPo]

In my opinion, it's way too early to be debating this. Bring this thread back up if we need to in mid December.

Did you see the players' reaction when he caught fire against the Clippers the first game against them? Everybody went nuts. Conley is popular in the lockerroom and community. It's in our team's best interest to support him and not bail on him especially this early in his tenure.

Don't. Be. That. Fan.

 

[jom2003]

Totally different situation for sure. Kawhi was a one and done and so was Danny Green - can you even imagine the push-back if they hadn't won a championship. They gave up their best player in Derozan a fabulous young center in Poeltl and a first round pick for a one year rental on a player that stipulated he would not play every game. And look at what the Lakers gambled to get AD for one solid year and the second on a player option. I know some of you think we made a mistake based on an infinitesimally small sample size which is not representative of his statistical averages, but even if that's the case, our exposure is not that bad, particularly when you take into account the guys that signed ridiculously meager deals to come play with him here. We're far from going all in like Toronto and particularly LA did. A career ending injury, our insurance kicks in, LA is back at square one minus Wagner, Ingram, Ball and Hart.

Can you imagine having a league's top 5 player putting on the Jazz Jersey? Just that image alone is worth the gamble.

Conley, on the other hand, isn't even the League's top 5 PG....

 

[carolinajazz]

These are the facts....and they are INDISPUTABLE! 1) We were improving the last 2, 3 years, playing together and staying together makes for winning basketball if your using a system that everyone is buying into, which they were! 2) We were absolutely SHATTERING all NBA dunk records and that without showboating or trying to make ESPN highlight film every night! We were breaking dunk records because our TEAM play was perfectly designed to create dunk and easy shots, which it did! We had more than just a handful of 30 assist game down the stretch and that would have continued this year had we kept Rubio and Favors! 3) Rather than make wholesale changes in our roster and especially our starting line up, just adding another outside 3 point shooter would have done the trick and given us 55 wins!

 

[jom2003]

These are the facts....and they are INDISPUTABLE! 1) We were improving the last 2, 3 years, playing together and staying together makes for winning basketball if your using a system that everyone is buying into, which they were! 2) We were absolutely SHATTERING all NBA dunk records and that without showboating or trying to make ESPN highlight film every night! We were breaking dunk records because our TEAM play was perfectly designed to create dunk and easy shots, which it did! We had more than just a handful of 30 assist game down the stretch and that would have continued this year had we kept Rubio and Favors! 3) Rather than make wholesale changes in our roster and especially our starting line up, just adding another outside 3 point shooter would have done the trick and given us 55 wins!

Well the thing is, Conley is way too expansive just for a 3pt shooter...