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The “I’m a Mike Conley hating bitch” list

Handlogten's Heros said:
I disagree completely. The hardest thing to do on a basketball court is pass. Takes reading defense and other players in real time. Shooting is a much easier adjustment. Example... watch when Bojan tries to playmake instead of score... it usually ends badly. He's not great at it, but that is what takes the most time.

I think the dribbling and shooting is really a matter of just not being sure of himself yet and not being decisive/confident. Outside of injuries I'm not sure there is a reason he can't be somewhat close to what he was middle of the season last year. 20-25 games in is where I start to panic if things aren't improving.
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Bro, he’s going to be shooting 32% from the field and 28% from deep the rest of his career. This is the new normal. Read the writing on the wall. Seen it happen a million times.
 
infection said:
Bro, he’s going to be shooting 32% from the field and 28% from deep the rest of his career. This is the new normal. Read the writing on the wall. Seen it happen a million times.
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Right.

I do think he I've learned he's smaller than I thought and it really shows on the defensive side of the ball. I have real concerns there... buuuuuuuttttt… if he become the offensive force he has been then it won't matter as much... annnndddd… in spite of his size issues we are still really good defensively.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So Jazzfanz… we gonna hold him to this when the Jazz start winning and look like a contender. We've lost three games... all on the road... 2 to teams that most consider better than us. The other was on a heartbreaker. Is it really meltdown time?
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Not to mention Utah could have easily beaten SAC and LAC and had a 5 game winning streak now. People would've been so certain of a title run. Just because one shot rattled in. That's outcome bias.
 
jjscap said:
Not to mention Utah could have easily beaten SAC and LAC and had a 5 game winning streak now. People would've been so certain of a title run. Just because one shot rattled in. That's outcome bias.
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Exactly... we winning while clearly not playing our best.
 
mellow said:
Furthermore,giving away the misfits that wanted to be here cost the Jazz organization its identity. The organization gave away it's narrative and didn't replace it with anything credible.

And all that bought them was the same position they were in before, hanging out 6-10 in the west. If they are lucky they are headed for a first round exit (maybe 2nd round), if unlucky they are headed to the lottery with a high likelihood Memphis takes the Jazz lottery pick.

Maybe Conley turns it around, maybe Quin is a bigger genius than we thought and I will happily admit I was wrong. Until then, I will occasionally come to Jazzfanz to vent my frustration because my wife has got tired of hearing it.
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I remember you were saying these same things last year when we got off to a slow start, how the roster was too flawed and we weren't going to make the playoffs. We went on to win 50 games. Quins teams always get off to slow starts and then play really well and go on a big run the second half of the season. You can't just give up on the team a few games into the season every year.
 
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Jingled said:
I remember you were saying these same things last year when we got off to a slow start, how the roster was too flawed and we weren't going to make the playoffs. We went on to win 50 games. Quins teams always get off to slow starts and then play really well and go on a big run the second half of the season. You can't just give up on the team a few games into the season every year.
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Maybe I said the roster was flawed, I don't recall anyone arguing it wasn't. But saying we weren't going to make the playoffs sounds too definitive to be me, I usually give a qualifier.
 
I see no scenario where the Jazz would have started out slowly this year with last years team in tact playing like they were doing at the end of last year! Everybody knew their role, their position on the court and what they could do and couldn't do. We were a dunking machine that just needed a little better 3 point shooting to take the next step. Frankly, the front office over reacted and blew it when they made all those wholesale changes by trading Rubio and Favors along with a couple of other key bench players.
 
carolinajazz said:
I see no scenario where the Jazz would have started out slowly this year with last years team in tact playing like they were doing at the end of last year! Everybody knew their role, their position on the court and what they could do and couldn't do. We were a dunking machine that just needed a little better 3 point shooting to take the next step. Frankly, the front office over reacted and blew it when they made all those wholesale changes by trading Rubio and Favors along with a couple of other key bench players.
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Dude we had the same line up last year and started the season slowly too. Do you even remember that? Smh

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After 7 games (using BBRef stats):

+/-: -3.7
WS/48: -.020
VORP: -0.1
PER: 7.2
ORtg: 85
DRtg: 100
NetRtg: -15
TOV%: 18.5
FG%: .318
3P%: .282
TS%: .449
AST: 3.9
TOV: 3.1
A/TO: 1.23

Truly putrid. Still holding out hope, but man that hope is starting to take on an air of desperation.
 
ChicAggie said:
After 7 games (using BBRef stats):

+/-: -3.7
WS/48: -.020
VORP: -0.1
PER: 7.2
ORtg: 85
DRtg: 100
NetRtg: -15
TOV%: 18.5
FG%: .318
3P%: .282
TS%: .449
AST: 3.9
TOV: 3.1
A/TO: 1.23

Truly putrid. Still holding out hope, but man that hope is starting to take on an air of desperation.
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Yikes. I thought he'd be at least marginally better than this by this time. Ugh
 
dong2ha said:
Dude we had the same line up last year and started the season slowly too. Do you even remember that? Smh

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But after playing the whole season and jelling the final 30 games, we wouldn't have started out like a bunch of guys that just started to play with each other like were doing this year! The longer you play with the same guys and your on the same page or buy into the same system, the better team your going to be.
 
Let's look at Conley's awful play with a half cup full attitude... the guy is shooting 28% from three for us and last season Rubio shot 31% from three.

I'm confident Conley will shoot better as time goes on and he figures out whatever he's dealing with.
 
carolinajazz said:
But after playing the whole season and jelling the final 30 games, we wouldn't have started out like a bunch of guys that just started to play with each other like were doing this year! The longer you play with the same guys and your on the same page or buy into the same system, the better team your going to be.
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It wasn't jelling. Last year's team was the same as the year before they didn't need to jell. It was simply a very hard schedule to start and a very easy one to finish. Pay attention.
 
ChicAggie said:
After 7 games (using BBRef stats):

+/-: -3.7
WS/48: -.020
VORP: -0.1
PER: 7.2
ORtg: 85
DRtg: 100
NetRtg: -15
TOV%: 18.5
FG%: .318
3P%: .282
TS%: .449
AST: 3.9
TOV: 3.1
A/TO: 1.23

Truly putrid. Still holding out hope, but man that hope is starting to take on an air of desperation.
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LOLZ
 
ChicAggie said:
After 7 games (using BBRef stats):

+/-: -3.7
WS/48: -.020
VORP: -0.1
PER: 7.2
ORtg: 85
DRtg: 100
NetRtg: -15
TOV%: 18.5
FG%: .318
3P%: .282
TS%: .449
AST: 3.9
TOV: 3.1
A/TO: 1.23

Truly putrid. Still holding out hope, but man that hope is starting to take on an air of desperation.
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Desperation after 8 games? duh. You need more patience. So, how are you feeling tonight?
 
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