2 Solutions We Have On Our Roster Right Now

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ed Davis has been a good +/- player. The Jazz have to give him more time since the alternatives arent good.

I may be wrong but I think that was last year only... other years he’s been bad or average. I just don’t think he’s a good fit and we do have a better alternative in Bradley. He’s not a good alternative but he’s not super negative. He was apparently sick so not an option last night... I think Ed’s hands are worse than Udohs... that’s saying something.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Niang has been good last two games. He’s simplified and stayed more within himself. @Saint Cy of JFC mentioned him pushing it last night which was good... until a couple games ago he was pushing it but then forcing a drive that wasn’t there. He seems to have adjusted.

The other thing to remember... he’s kind of playing SF wing in the current lineups... he’s much more of a small ball handling 4. Our bench lineup is forcing him a little out of his ideal role and he is a role player... so I will cut him a little slack.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think the bench unit has some hope but Ed can’t play. Green is like that Psycho but hot girlfriend you had in high school... there are times when you are like this is so great and other times when you are just like... Why the hell do I do this to myself... that’s okay for a bench guy.

Mudiay has been good and I am shocked at how much hate he gets. He was solid last night but missed a few shots... one bad turnover but he is playing the right way... he’s playing good defense and he can break the paint. He’s moving the ball a lot better. He will have his good shooting games and give a huge spark... his bad shooting games are getting better and you can see he is trying really hard to fit. I’m impressed with him ... in part because I thought he’d be awful, but still.

Niang is better used in Jeff Greens spot if we had another good wing. He needs to be our worst rotation player if he is a regular.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think the bench unit has some hope but Ed can’t play. Green is like that Psycho but hot girlfriend you had in high school... there are times when you are like this is so great and other times when you are just like... Why the hell do I do this to myself... that’s okay for a bench guy.

Mudiay has been good and I am shocked at how much hate he gets. He was solid last night but missed a few shots... one bad turnover but he is playing the right way... he’s playing good defense and he can break the paint. He’s moving the ball a lot better. He will have his good shooting games and give a huge spark... his bad shooting games are getting better and you can see he is trying really hard to fit. I’m impressed with him ... in part because I thought he’d be awful, but still.

Niang is better used in Jeff Greens spot if we had another good wing. He needs to be our worst rotation player if he is a regular.

**** it, I get that green sucks but I'm still a big fan.
I'm blinded by him being the prototypical power forward for today's game on paper. Dude is the perfect size, athletic as ****, can shoot, can handle..... I have blinders on when it comes to Uncle Jeff. Flaws? What flaws? I can't see them

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[Dali]

I thought Niang was great against the Warriors. Pushed the pace on all his rebounds and got the Jazz into early offense.

If we've lowered our standards that hard to then be able to say that any of the dudes who were -17 or -18, and were complete sieves on defense, were great by grabbing a few measly boards and pushed the pace a little, then count me out of that school of thought. The only dude that was the least worst yesterday was Mudiay.

 

[SCS]

Niang should not be playing at all unless we're in a unique end of game situation where we need a three. That's it. That's all. It's the only situation where he is useful on the floor.

 

[Dali]

The alternatives arent good..... But they may be better (so far Bradley has been better imo)

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It's not even a debate as to Bradley having played better than Ed this season Fish. Problem is, Ed has been a positive player for his whole career, and the Jazz are banking on that type of play to come back this year. So therefore, we have a guy who deserves to play right now, but the team is playing the more proven player, who is clearly struggling because of my previous sentence.

 

[Dali]

I'm actually quite concerned that we're putting positive reinforcement on that type of bench play, minus Mudiay perhaps.

Even the Jazz have Jeff Green as the sub of the game for that type of play?

GTFOH.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No one on the bench is the problem. The Jazz just need one more rotation guy, but no specific player is causing the issues individually.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If we've lowered our standards that hard to then be able to say that any of the dudes who were -17 or -18, and were complete sieves on defense, were great by grabbing a few measly boards and pushed the pace a little, then count me out of that school of thought. The only dude that was the least worst yesterday was Mudiay.

I mean, pushing the pace for potential easy baskets is pretty important. He's like the 10th man on the team. A big part of the reason Niang is in the NBA is because he legitimately does make players around him better on offense combined with his shooting prowess.

It's weird af to see yall try to create scapegoats.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It's clear Jeff Green cant play in this offense. It's an offense that relies on quick decision making and Jeff Green slows it down in the half-court. It turns him into a 3pt shooter who occasionally makes some highlight plays at the rim when he is able to get out in open space.

He's at least OK at shooting though and can get hot. And he does offer those highlight plays that can be game changing. I see no reason to try and move on from him.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Patty Mills still seems like the most realistic game-changing type piece to me. Spurs suck and they got nice young guards. They have shown a flippancy towards 3pt shooting, so Exum might be way higher on their evaluation list compared to the average NBA team. That and the Tony Bradley draft day rumors.

 

[fishonjazz]

It's not even a debate as to Bradley having played better than Ed this season Fish. Problem is, Ed has been a positive player for his whole career, and the Jazz are banking on that type of play to come back this year. So therefore, we have a guy who deserves to play right now, but the team is playing the more proven player, who is clearly struggling because of my previous sentence.

Agreed

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

It's not even a debate as to Bradley having played better than Ed this season Fish. Problem is, Ed has been a positive player for his whole career, and the Jazz are banking on that type of play to come back this year. So therefore, we have a guy who deserves to play right now, but the team is playing the more proven player, who is clearly struggling because of my previous sentence.

I mean, I'm a Bradley supporter, but he in no way "deserves to play" over Ed Davis.

 

[Tragic66]

Is Quin serious though. Exum has played 82 minutes for the season and about 50 in non-garbage time. 0 as lead guard.
And the Quin 'conspiracy theorists' are suppose to believe that Exum has been given a 'fair go'.
It just doesn't jibe given the problems being had on the bench.

i think if Conley, ingles, DM, Mudiay and NWG were all out Exum would still not see the court under Quin. Buy him out.

 

[Dali]

I mean, pushing the pace for potential easy baskets is pretty important. He's like the 10th man on the team. A big part of the reason Niang is in the NBA is because he legitimately does make players around him better on offense combined with his shooting prowess.

It's weird af to see yall try to create scapegoats.

He is a very good shooter. I saw some of the comments from others that tried to play down his shooting prowess. Him not being a good shooter is just flat out false.

Like you said, he's also the 10th man and how much can you expect from a 10th man? But we have to draw the line somewhere, with the players that played. I'm going to construct a sentence below, to describe yesterdays game, and performance.

The bench put the game at serious risk of losing it, by being outscored 52-12, to a Warriors bench of the actual Warriors bench, in our own building. I don't believe that this is the game where you can paint a positive picture out of the bench's performance, including Niang. I could give you other matches where you would have much more of a point, where he is actually worthy of praise. We cannot let this sort of performance-acceptance to enter our line of thinking.

 

[homeytennis]

Sounds like DedEx, Kevin Murphy and Brock Motum all have a special place in Quin's heart.

 

[Dali]

I mean, I'm a Bradley supporter, but he in no way "deserves to play" over Ed Davis.

As much as you try and paint a picture of this being subjective, you need to stop now. It is not a subjective opinion that Bradley has played better. It is objective fact.

Stop this, just stop.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

As much as you try and paint a picture of this being subjective, you need to stop now. It is not a subjective opinion that Bradley has played better. It is objective fact.

Stop this, just stop.

So a handful sample size overtakes recent history?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He is a very good shooter. I saw some of the comments from others that tried to play down his shooting prowess. Him not being a good shooter is just flat out false.

Like you said, he's also the 10th man and how much can you expect from a 10th man? But we have to draw the line somewhere, with the players that played. I'm going to construct a sentence below, to describe yesterdays game, and performance.

The bench put the game at serious risk of losing it, by being outscored 52-12, to a Warriors bench of the actual Warriors bench, in our own building. I don't believe that this is the game where you can paint a positive picture out of the bench's performance, including Niang. I could give you other matches where you would have much more of a point, where he is actually worthy of praise. We cannot let this sort of performance-acceptance to enter our line of thinking.

Niang played well. Sorry.