2 Solutions We Have On Our Roster Right Now

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You been watching practices or something... how can you declare the guy a bad roll man (or the same as Davis) when the only sample size he’s given us has been solid? It’s fine to say it’s inconclusive... tough to say he’s bad.

I feel like when Ed and Ingles run a pick and roll it results in a turnover like every time... he’s not a threat to do anything... how bad does he have to play before they go to Bradley... why keep Bradley around if you don’t think he can play better than the level Ed’s giving us?

Well I probably watched more G-League games of him than most...

1. He is not good a pick n roll player other than the fact that he does set good screens
2. He has no mid-roll game
3. He cant finish above the rim
4. He isnt aggressive enough to draw contact like a Kanter

He isnt a good roll man.

And you keep Bradley because you think he's good enough to be a emergency backup. Not all 15 guys on your roster have to that level of upside to be worth rostering, though I would agree it's probably less than ideal to continue to try and develop him because it's as square peg/round hole thing with how the team plays under Quin, but at the same time who knows. Maybe he learns to shoot one day and he suddenly becomes useful on offense outside of rebounding.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

All of them would have started over Royce, Jeff and Niang. Com'on now. How hard is this for you man?

I don't think Powell, Harkless, or Saric would, but sure to the otherrs.

But who cares? You don't have to have the best PF to beat any of these teams. It's as close to a non-issue as it gets on this team.

 

[Dali]

Whats interesting is that Cy made a thread about playing Bradley over Ed very recently. And when he did, Bradley actually started games, and played well, much much better than Ed.

Then the Jazz just handed the job back to Ed, and then Cy has now done a total 180, to make sure that his thoughts mirror the Jazz's thoughts, so as to give the impression of, I know what I'm talking about because my thought process alignes with the Jazz.

Why are we treating Ed like he's Donovan or Rudy or Bojan? If any of our stars had a horrible run of play like Ed has, you still stick with them because they're our stars. Almost all of our bench rotations should be up for grabs. Below are some cold hard facts.

Tony Bradley stats:

Offensive rating: 125
Defensive rating: 103
Effective FG%: 61.1
FT %: 68.8
PER: 20.7
Rebs: 3.5
Win shares:0.7

Ed Davis stats:

Offensive rating: 94
Defensive rating: 100
Effective FG%: 47.6
FT %: 42.9
PER: 7.6
Rebs: 4.5
Win shares: 0.3

The amount of daylight there is between the majority of the stats between the two is so vast, you could drive a Boeing 747 through them. Ed is grabbing one extra rebound per game, but keep in mind that on average, Ed has also played 3 minutes extra per game.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Whats interesting is that Cy made a thread about playing Bradley over Ed very recently. And when he did, Bradley actually started games, and played well, much much better than Ed.

Then the Jazz just handed the job back to Ed, and then Cy has now done a total 180, to make sure that his thoughts mirror the Jazz's thoughts, so as to give the impression of, I know what I'm talking about because my thought process alignes with the Jazz.

Why are we treating Ed like he's Donovan or Rudy or Bojan? If any of our stars had a horrible run of play like Ed has, you still stick with them because they're our stars. Almost all of our bench rotations should be up for grabs. Below are some cold hard facts.

Tony Bradley stats:

Offensive rating: 125
Defensive rating: 103
Effective FG%: 61.1
FT %: 68.8
PER: 20.7
Rebs: 3.5
Win shares:0.7

Ed Davis stats:

Offensive rating: 94
Defensive rating: 100
Effective FG%: 47.6
FT %: 42.9
PER: 7.6
Rebs: 4.5
Win shares: 0.3

The amount of daylight there is between the majority of the stats between the two is so vast, you could drive a Boeing 747 through them. Ed is grabbing one extra rebound per game, but keep in mind that on average, Ed has also played 3 minutes extra per game.

Yeah because watching Ed Davis has really sucked and I wasnt a fan of the signing in the 1st place, but when you sit down and really think about it, taking the stance that Bradley should play over Ed is crazy.

And my Pro-Bradley stances have always been based on the undeserved hate he got and that he was in fact worthy of being a NBA player. Prior to this year it was also based on my expectations that he would ever learn to shoot, which he hasnt in the slightest. So overall my optimism for Bradley dropped as a result of the minutes he has gotten this year, but I'm glad he showed he can go out there and hold his own against other bench guys and not be completely embarrassed (though sometimes he did get completely embarrassed).

 

[Dali]

Yeah because watching Ed Davis has really sucked and I wasnt a fan of the signing in the 1st place, but when you sit down and really think about it, taking the stance that Bradley should play over Ed is crazy.

I've sat down and thought about it. You create a good, competitive environment if you make it clear that the bench spots are up for grabs. It sends a good healthy message to our young and aspiring, developing players. Believe me when I say that a player can get disheartened if they've played well, trained well, to only lose their spot again.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I've sat down and thought about it. You create a good, competitive environment if you make it clear that the bench spots are up for grabs. It sends a good healthy message to our young and aspiring, developing players. Believe me when I say that a player can get disheartened if they've played well, trained well, to only lose their spot again.

That's tough ****. I really don't care if Tony Bradley gets disheartened because he isnt playing over a proven NBA vet who just came off one of his better NBA seasons.

You play who is better. Unless you think Davis has suddenly become much much worse offensively over the course of an off-season, then you keep playing him. Even with him sucking a load of ***, he still has decent rebounding numbers and excellent advanced defensive metrics.

So why are we trying to replace a guy who can provide good level specialty play like Davis? The answer needs to be getting an additional offensive wing or guard who will open up the floor and make plays for guys like Davis. That might simply just be Conley getting healthy and playing with the 2nd unit more.

 

[infection]

It’s getting lonely here on...

That’s okay. I’m not one for company.

 

[Dali]

That's tough ****. I really don't care if Tony Bradley gets disheartened because he isnt playing over a proven NBA vet who just came off one of his better NBA seasons.

You play who is better. Unless you think Davis has suddenly become much much worse offensively over the course of an off-season, then you keep playing him. Even with him sucking a load of ***, he still has decent rebounding numbers and excellent advanced defensive metrics.

The numbers say that Ed doesn't deserve to play right now. When he's on, the offense is 4v5, every time.

Bradley has played 18 games to put out the stats I mentioned. 18 games is about a quarter of the season. This is not 5 or 10 games. 18 games is territory where you sit up and take notice.

 

[Dali]

In any case, Ed will get many opportunities. He will need to start playing like he has in previous seasons pretty quickly. Because if this continues for the whole season, and the change isn't made, you can chalk this up to Quin's list of things that unfortunately would go to the category of why he was a bad coach this year.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The numbers say that Ed doesn't deserve to play right now. When he's on, the offense is 4v5, every time.

Bradley has played 18 games to put out the stats I mentioned. 18 games is about a quarter of the season. This is not 5 or 10 games. 18 games is territory where you sit up and take notice.

Bruh half of those are from garbage time blowout games. The guy has played 164 minutes, or about 3 games worth of starting minutes.

And the numbers still say, despite Davis playing like **** and being injured, that he is the far superior defender.

 

[Dali]

Bruh half of those are from garbage time blowout games. The guy has played 164 minutes, or about 3 games worth of starting minutes.

And the numbers still say, despite Davis playing like **** and being injured, that he is the far superior defender.

He certainly showed against the championship contending Warriors that he is a superior defender.

I've made my point, and it's a valid one. No point in debating in circles with you any further.

Have a nice day.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He certainly showed against the championship contending Warriors that he is a superior defender.

I've made my point, and it's a valid one. No point in debating in circles with you any further.

Have a nice day.

Your point isnt close to valid. No NBA coach trying to win games would disregard the context of Davis's career like you have.

 

[Dali]

Your point isnt close to valid. No NBA coach trying to win games would disregard the context of Davis's career like you have.

I'm pretty sure I said have a nice day, so have a nice day, sir.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm pretty sure I said have a nice day, so have a nice day, sir.

lmao eat a dick

 

[Zombie]

Just gonna leave this right here

 

[Jingled]

Having Davis on the floor is absolutely killing the second unit offense.

 

[Keefe]

What starting PF's yall so scared of?

Dwight Powell?
PJ Tucker?
Mo Harkless?
Dario Saric?
Paul Millsap?
Nemanj Bjelica?


Im shaking in my boots at all this PF talent that starts in the West.

Yes because Lebron and Kawhi won’t play at the 4 at all.

 

[Keefe]

What starting PF's yall so scared of?

Dwight Powell?
PJ Tucker?
Mo Harkless?
Dario Saric?
Paul Millsap?
Nemanj Bjelica?


Im shaking in my boots at all this PF talent that starts in the West.

Lol at naming guys on the Suns and Kings.

Let’s ignore Zingy. And Kawhi. And Lebron.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yes because Lebron and Kawhi won’t play at the 4 at all.

Ok, but what mythical backup PF addition is stopping those guys?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lol at naming guys on the Suns and Kings.

Let’s ignore Zingy. And Kawhi. And Lebron.

Zingy plays C. Kawhi and Bron are playings and they will be guarded by such. Don't be a dumbass