We need a backup Center

[Handlogten's Heros]

Was Phoenix’s plan to just get Ty Jerome, though? Wasn’t there talk of them possibly waiving Baynes this summer?

They stumbled in to Baynes it was a small salary dump. I don’t think they were ever going to waive him but they went and got Frank too... so I’m not sure they were all in on him being a part of their plans this year.

 

[candrew]

Was Phoenix’s plan to just get Ty Jerome, though? Wasn’t there talk of them possibly waiving Baynes this summer?

I wouldn't believe that for a second. They traded for the 24th pick for a potential lottery pick and a cast off? I don't even think The Knicks would do something like that.

I watched plenty of Celtic games last year. Baynes is solid. Perfect back-up for a up and comer like Ayton.

And Jerome is a second round talent that was over-hyped because of Virginia's run in the tournament.

 

[Release the Kraken]

I'm sorry, but I just think it's funny that nobody complained about Bradley during our winning streak and now we lose one stinking game and everybody wants to pin it on Bradley. Why because he got his shot blocked on a pn'r? By a very athletic big in Jaxson Hayes. But you know what, Hayes can't carry Bradley's jockstrap on the low post or on the rebounding end. This guy was good enough to anchor our bench that's been stellar throughout our win streak. Regardless how forumites want to characterize him he's really quite fundamentally sound and had at least one nice tip-in last night (had some transmission issues on my feed so I missed a few plays). I know everybody on this forum has always dumped on him since we drafted him, but watching the Orlando game the other night I learned that Bradley was considered a stud in High School. Playing for Bartow High School, Bradley was bestowed the honor of best High School basketball player in the State of Florida with the 2016 Florida Mr Basketball Award.

If we had unlimited funds or disposable salaries that matched up that would be one thing to get a player of say Dwight Howard's ability. But we don't and I think our main priority should be to find somebody that can play some power forward and perhaps provide assistance on the ADs, LAs, KPs, and maybe even BI's of this league this season.

 

[infection]

I'm sorry, but I just think it's funny that nobody complained about Bradley during our winning streak and now we lose one stinking game and everybody wants to pin it on Bradley. Why because he got his shot blocked on a pn'r? By a very athletic big in Jaxson Hayes. But you know what, Hayes can't carry Bradley's jockstrap on the low post or on the rebounding end. This guy was good enough to anchor our bench that's been stellar throughout our win streak. Regardless how forumites want to characterize him he's really quite fundamentally sound and had at least one nice tip-in last night (had some transmission issues on my feed so I missed a few plays). I know everybody on this forum has always dumped on him since we drafted him, but watching the Orlando game the other night I learned that Bradley was considered a stud in High School. Playing for Bartow High School, Bradley was bestowed the honor of best High School basketball player in the State of Florida with the 2016 Florida Mr Basketball Award.

If we had unlimited funds or disposable salaries that matched up that would be one thing to get a player of say Dwight Howard's ability. But we don't and I think our main priority should be to find somebody that can play some power forward and perhaps provide assistance on the ADs, LAs, KPs, and maybe even BI's of this league this season.

I’ve been complaining about him for a long time. I’ve also been complaining about needing to upgrade Mudiay and Jiang for a long time. The win streak blinded some people to those weaknesses, and it also blinded people to how much we’ve needed Conley, but I’ve consistently been saying this, as have others, it’s just that now people may be a little more receptive. But don’t worry. We’ll win a few games and people will revert back to forgetting what these concerns are. Until the playoffs, at least.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I’ve been complaining about him for a long time. I’ve also been complaining about needing to upgrade Mudiay and Jiang for a long time. The win streak blinded some people to those weaknesses, and it also blinded people to how much we’ve needed Conley, but I’ve consistently been saying this, as have others, it’s just that now people may be a little more receptive. But don’t worry. We’ll win a few games and people will revert back to forgetting what these concerns are. Until the playoffs, at least.

This... I've said all along that the Bradley thing is fine until things actually matter (the playoffs). Basically I'm cool with it for now as long as Jazz brass are doing their due diligence finding a replacement. Last two games in the pressure moments it has gone poorly. I would prefer they try Morgan there right now and keep looking for help... trade szn is coming... I think we've seen enough to know that end of the year we can't have Bradley on the court.

 

[The Thriller]

Except Bradley is actually a threat to score on p&r and good at settings screens? We are not a charity organization that would just give free PT to players that aren't good at anything, so please stop pretending that is the case with Bradley...

He currently averages 7 screen assists per 36 minutes, only 1 less than Rudy...

https://stats.nba.com/players/hustle/?sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION&dir=1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular Season&PerMode=Per36

And from this you can easily notice that he is actually neck and neck with Rudy on a lot of those hustle stats even beating Rudy on those loose ball recovery and shot contested stats, so the kid clearly tries hard on D, he just isn't talented enough to be great on that end...yet

https://stats.nba.com/players/roll-man/?sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION&dir=1

And as a p&r threat, you can clearly see Bradley beating Rudy as a roll man in pick n roll both at ppg and efficiency...

That's why I said I'm perfectly fine with what Bradley's been giving us and those hate towards him have been unwarranted. Not many backup centers in this league right now can just come in and give us more than what Bradley's been giving us. Let alone finding those from the likes of Morgan, Bogut, Udoh, Fesenko lol

bradleys not a threat to score. Lol stop being silly

 

[jom2003]

bradleys not a threat to score. Lol stop being silly

Any real facts or data to back up your claim? Cuz I know I do

 

[jom2003]

Even 10 minutes would be huge. He was able to do that for GSW last year.

Cuz GSW had KD, Klay and Draymond, all above average to elite defenders to share the load so Bogut won't have to move much at all but you bet he will get worked and exposed on our current defense with Bogey, Conley, Clarkson, Niang all substandard defender

 

[The Thriller]

Any real facts or data to back up your claim? Cuz I know I do

data? His 4 pt average isn’t good enough? Do you actually watch games? I’m not sure what you want. Do you need an empirical study about how stiff big men without any athleticism, Post moves, or shooting range aren’t threats to score?

Are we really to the point where we need to argue for Bradley on this website? My goodness people. Take your fanatic glasses off. Our backup bigs are among the worst in the league.

 

[jom2003]

data? His 4 pt average isn’t good enough? Do you actually watch games? I’m not sure what you want. Do you need an empirical study about how stiff big men without any athleticism, Post moves, or shooting range aren’t threats to score?

He scores off pick n roll. He is crafty at catch and finish around the rim. He has a good floater and hook. Offense is more than athleticism, post move or shooting range. It'd be nice to have those things and yes I would love to have someone like Brook Lopez, Baynes, Bertans, etc. But we don't have these guys. I'm fine with Bradley and his offensive game. He will be even better if we run more offensive set for him and have him worry less on defense.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He scores off pick n roll. He is crafty at catch and finish around the rim. He has a good floater and hook. Offense is more than athleticism, post move or shooting range. It'd be nice to have those things and yes I would love to have someone like Brook Lopez, Baynes, Bertans, etc. But we don't have these guys. I'm fine with Bradley and his offensive game. He will be even better if we run more offensive set for him and have him worry less on defense.

There is nothing crafty about him at all. He scores in pick and roll when defenses ignore him and off of putbacks... which is more than I can say for Ed.

He’s a basic bitch... got stuffed at the rim twice last night because he’s basic.

If he could defend it might be enough though... so far he’s not been great though.

 

[Piso]

We don't need a back-up center. Last year, Ed Davis was one of the best back-up center.
His stats :
2010-2019 : TS=58.2% ; WS/48=0.151 ; BPM=1.0
2019-2020 : TS=38.7% ; WS/48=0.061 ; BPM=-1.6

Snyder must play Ed Davis. He must restore his confidence.

 

[homeytennis]

He was on a NCAA championship team.

 

[cowhide]

Bradley gets way too much grief for this board. One reason is people see the difference when Rudy isn't playing. Duh.. Rudy is a top 10 player in this league and 2 time DPOY.

Many times Bradley was put in a bad position due to other players not being able to stay in front of their players. Losing the game sucked but I was thinking this might be the game. New Orleans is going to be a beast soon.

Jazz need to find a player who can match up with Ingram. Jazz lost because we couldn't stop him. Not because Bradley fouled or got block (i thought he got slapped on the wrist especially considering Rudy invisible foul).

 

[Release the Kraken]

We don't need a back-up center. Last year, Ed Davis was one of the best back-up center.
His stats :
2010-2019 : TS=58.2% ; WS/48=0.151 ; BPM=1.0
2019-2020 : TS=38.7% ; WS/48=0.061 ; BPM=-1.6

Snyder must play Ed Davis. He must restore his confidence.

Snyder's job is to win. If Eddie is going to restore his confidence it probably has to be by way of the G League.

 

[Release the Kraken]

Bradley gets way too much grief for this board. One reason is people see the difference when Rudy isn't playing. Duh.. Rudy is a top 10 player in this league and 2 time DPOY.

Many times Bradley was put in a bad position due to other players not being able to stay in front of their players. Losing the game sucked but I was thinking this might be the game. New Orleans is going to be a beast soon.

Jazz need to find a player who can match up with Ingram. Jazz lost because we couldn't stop him. Not because Bradley fouled or got block (i thought he got slapped on the wrist especially considering Rudy invisible foul).

Way tooo level headed for this board. You're correct it was Ingram with a lot of help from Favors particularly and some Ball passing that won this game for them. Ingram went off for 49 points, I might've given Davis a shot at redemption just to see if he could slow him down for a set or two.

 

[Release the Kraken]

I’ve been complaining about him for a long time. I’ve also been complaining about needing to upgrade Mudiay and Jiang for a long time. The win streak blinded some people to those weaknesses, and it also blinded people to how much we’ve needed Conley, but I’ve consistently been saying this, as have others, it’s just that now people may be a little more receptive. But don’t worry. We’ll win a few games and people will revert back to forgetting what these concerns are. Until the playoffs, at least.

Certainly not opposed to picking up Bogut for a post-season run ala Golden State last year (he looked good), but with our contracts and general lack of financial flexibility, I think that might be the best we could hope for.

 

[jom2003]

There is nothing crafty about him at all. He scores in pick and roll when defenses ignore him and off of putbacks... which is more than I can say for Ed.

He’s a basic bitch... got stuffed at the rim twice last night because he’s basic.

If he could defend it might be enough though... so far he’s not been great though.

Stats have shown he's at least passable on rim protection while being above average on offense. His screen assist % and ppg scored as a roll man in pick n roll are pretty good for a backup center. Again, nit saying he is the best center in the world or anything. I'm just "fine" with Bradley being our backup center and an upgrade over him, while not entirely impossible, would be pretty hard to pull off. Like, saying the likes of Fesenko or some non-nba players would be a better option than TB is just too much...

 

[jom2003]

We don't need a back-up center. Last year, Ed Davis was one of the best back-up center.
His stats :
2010-2019 : TS=58.2% ; WS/48=0.151 ; BPM=1.0
2019-2020 : TS=38.7% ; WS/48=0.061 ; BPM=-1.6

Snyder must play Ed Davis. He must restore his confidence.

Agree. If we acquire more defensive help on other positions instead of relying our center to bail them out on every blowby from the perimeter, Ed would play more like himself from last few seasons. The issue isn't with our backup center

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Stats have shown he's at least passable on rim protection while being above average on offense. His screen assist % and ppg scored as a roll man in pick n roll are pretty good for a backup center. Again, nit saying he is the best center in the world or anything. I'm just "fine" with Bradley being our backup center and an upgrade over him, while not entirely impossible, would be pretty hard to pull off. Like, saying the likes of Fesenko or some non-nba players would be a better option than TB is just too much...

There are some exaggerations but saying it would be pretty hard to pull off is not true. I've said he is fine... mostly because he is not effing everything up like Ed was. Ed also wasn't working with the new bench group... so maybe he could be more effective.

What stats show him being an average defender (for a center mind you... center is the most important defensive position)?