Openly Gay Man Called To Serve in Key LDS Position

[One Brow]

i call a gay homosexual an open homosexual.
a homosexual is just a person who has sex with the same sex.
so a closeted homosexual is not a gay homosexual.
a open homosexual is a gay homosexual. cus he acts all gay and has sex with the same sex

come on this aint rocket science

No, it's not rocket science. To be rocket science, or science of any sort, would mean that everyone is using the terms in the same way. You are using your own private definitions, in your typically offensive way. That is an idiosyncrasy. That "idiosyncrasy" has parts spelled close to "idiot" and "crazy" is probably coincidental.

 

[Archie Moses]

I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

I personally can relate to those who feel like they are a man trapped in a woman's body. I too, once felt that way - then I was born.

 

[Archie Moses]

Also Executive Secretary is a "key" church position. I mean, when I opened this thread I thought he was at least a stake president or something.

It's actually probably the worst position you can have, but it is highly important to the ward.

 

[colton]

Maybe the Mormon church should use electric aversion therapy to cure you like they have done to people who have gay thoughts.

Educate yourself
https://fairmormon.org/Mormonism_an..._attraction/Aversion_therapy_performed_at_BYU

 

[Beantown]

Educate yourself
https://fairmormon.org/Mormonism_an..._attraction/Aversion_therapy_performed_at_BYU

Burn

 

[The-Joker]

Educate yourself
https://fairmormon.org/Mormonism_an..._attraction/Aversion_therapy_performed_at_BYU

Seriously? You're really going to take the stance that BYU and the Church have nothing to do with eachother? Do you honestly believe this wasn't okay'd by some high-up church authorities before being carried out.. maybe not under the authority of "the church" but with the authority of a high up church member... since Church Authorities and BYU leadership are pretty much selected from the same pool of talent


On another note

I was assistant ward executive secretary... and loooking back this explains a lot of the assisting i had to do...

 

[colton]

Seriously? You're really going to take the stance that BYU and the Church have nothing to do with eachother? Do you honestly believe this wasn't okay'd by some high-up church authorities before being carried out.. maybe not under the authority of "the church" but with the authority of a high up church member... since Church Authorities and BYU leadership are pretty much selected from the same pool of talent

Did you read the link? After doing so are you really going to argue that Broncster's statemtent that "the Mormon church used electric aversion therapy to cure people who have gay thoughts" is correct?

 

[JFFR]

@colton, thanks for that link. I have a quick question,

There is an interview floating around internet of some young, gay-Mormon who in the late 90's underwent shock therapy. He explains his experience and it is very secretive and quite painful. Are you familiar with this? Are we to assume the kid is lying? Or did BYU continue this until it was banned in 2006?

I always figured the shock was a common "treatment" method that was misguided--an honest mistake. But those fighting the church like to claim it was blatant cruelty... I even had a co-worker tell me she was on a "waiting list" to undergo her treatment...

 

[Ron Mexico]

Educate yourself
https://fairmormon.org/Mormonism_an..._attraction/Aversion_therapy_performed_at_BYU

If you think that BYU's 70's shock aversion therapy project was the only time it happened and that was the only form of extreme ways to cure gay thoughts supported through Mormon ran organizations such as BYU and others, than you should do a little more research or talk to a few gay ex mormons. Mormons can try to separate themselves from BYU projects and research but its still a private church funded and operated University who is ultimately responsible for what happens there.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

Did you read the link? After doing so are you really going to argue that Broncster's statemtent that "the Mormon church used electric aversion therapy to cure people who have gay thoughts" is correct?

Hmm, I'm confused with these two scenarios:

-BYU goes independent in football and one of the biggest things we hear from school officials, including the Head Coach, is how they view the football program as a very important missionary tool for the LDS church and how the added exposure of independence is only going to enhance that.

and on the flip side.....

-In the past, BYU conducts shock therapy on people with gay thoughts and we are expected to believe in this instance that BYU and the church do not go hand in hand?

That fairmormon.org article is nothing more than a PR attempt to muddy the waters and escape without blame. While not all employees and students of BYU are not LDS, it most certainly is owned and operated by the LDS Church. I think its fair to say that any program or research doesn't get very far down the road at BYU without authorities of the LDS church giving consent or being at least somewhat in the know. If not, then they are guilty of being asleep at the wheel. Either way, accept some freakin' ownership of what happens on your watch. Anybody gullible enough to believe the spin in that article deserves to be deceived.

 

[colton]

@colton, thanks for that link. I have a quick question,

There is an interview floating around internet of some young, gay-Mormon who in the late 90's underwent shock therapy. He explains his experience and it is very secretive and quite painful. Are you familiar with this? Are we to assume the kid is lying? Or did BYU continue this until it was banned in 2006?

If someone is claiming that BYU was doing experimental shock therapy on him in the late 90's, then yes I'm going to go out on a limb and say the kid is lying. But without having seen the interview, I don't know the specifics of what he is claiming. Perhaps he got involved with a non-LDS church-related group. If you want to send me a copy of the specific interview I can give a more informed opinion.

I always figured the shock was a common "treatment" method that was misguided--an honest mistake.

That's exactly what it seems like to me. And the BYU experiment was not alone in this. The FAIR website details 29 other institutions doing similar research in the 1960s and 1970s.

 

[colton]

If you think that BYU's 70's shock aversion therapy project was the only time it happened and that was the only form of extreme ways to cure gay thoughts supported through Mormon ran organizations such as BYU and others, than you should do a little more research or talk to a few gay ex mormons.

OK, where's your evidence? I'm willing to do a little more research if you'll provide some links to legitimate evidence.