sahlensguy
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So what does a reopening look like to you?
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Avery
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We obviously can't shut everything down for 12-18 months while we wait for a vaccine nor can we simply not re-open low-risk parts of our country and operations. Keep in mind there's no federal plan for this, just up to the states to do what feels right. Also keep in mind that other countries are already doing this with proven results.
The goalposts for any success were obliterated long ago. Remember, back in January, we were told everything would be fine. In February, it was going to magically disappear in April like some sort of miracle. In March, we might only have 40k deaths when it was going to be 2 million. And so on and so forth.
The administration took all funding, risk management plans and documentation for pandemics and threw it in the trash to save money and feed their base of draining the swamp of non-essential services. Still seem like that was the right move to anyone now?
The goalposts for any success were obliterated long ago. Remember, back in January, we were told everything would be fine. In February, it was going to magically disappear in April like some sort of miracle. In March, we might only have 40k deaths when it was going to be 2 million. And so on and so forth.
The administration took all funding, risk management plans and documentation for pandemics and threw it in the trash to save money and feed their base of draining the swamp of non-essential services. Still seem like that was the right move to anyone now?
Who are the government officials calling for a shut down until a vaccine is found? I don't know of any.
RandyForRubio
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Avery
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That quote in itself doesn't advocate for a complete shutdown. Completely open is business as usual - sporting events, concerts, giant orgies, etc., basically mass gatherings.
Here's what he's really advocating for and it doesn't sound like a complete shutdown to me:
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/05/13/coronavirus-garcetti-los-angeles-reopening/
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Lol
It’s typically easier to argue against the argument you hope people are making rather than the actual argument that they’re making.
It’s typically easier to argue against the argument you hope people are making rather than the actual argument that they’re making.
RandyForRubio
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I really think that depends on the state. Obviously what works in North Dakota may not work in New York.
I think Florida, Georgia, and Colorado are fairly good examples of populated states that have opened up with good success. Obviously more time will tell, but so far, so good. As far as lesser populated states, the Dakota's, Wyoming, Montana, those are good examples as well. There is no one size fits all here.
RandyForRubio
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And if the cure or vaccine never happens? You think we won't have concerts again? Won't have fans in stadiums again?
It was a stupid statement of him to make.
RandyForRubio
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I can't even begin to describe how funny it is to me that you're the one saying this.
Avery
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I just don't see it as a stupid statement honestly. We'll have concerts and live sporting events and a return back to normalcy as life goes by as this virus will be the death of some of us but not all of us, but what venue, artist, team, etc. is going to subject their fans in this environment? As the risk diminishes, we'll be able to do this even if it means having 10k fans in a 50k capacity stadium to start with. We can come up with ways to have events safely and minimize risk.
We'll have a vaccine - the world is full of too many brilliant minds for us not to. When is the only real question and I think we can all agree that we hope it's sooner than later.
RandyForRubio
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That's a fair point. I'm more just arguing I think people should have the option to choose for themselves if they want to stay home or not. And I know not everyone will agree with me, and that's okay. You bring up good points though. Thank you!
And I agree on a vaccine. I'm hopeful, but we shall see. I just don't like politicians making definitive statements like that.
Avery
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I would agree with you that we should let people make up their own minds and define their risk tolerance. We're all adults and responsible for our own lives; my issue has been that messaging has been inconsistent and that's leading to unnecessary strife. We shouldn't be hearing stories of people being hurt or killed for wearing or not wearing masks, TV heads shaming scientists and being told to stay in your home or be arrested/fined. None of that gets any of us closer to what we all need: a blooming economy, prosperous job market and 401k's that let us know that all these years of the grind will pay off.
COVID-19 should never have been looked at as a political opportunity, but that's how our leaders on both sides of the aisle have defined it. And as Americans, we all suffer for it.