Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

[Zombie]

Stop condoning their behavior.

This is a great example of "archie brain." No one here is condoning drunk driving.

 

[Ron Mexico]

If you stop someone with a gun who's firing it randomly and take their gun they're at no risk either.

**** them. Stop condoning their behavior.

You are having a strawman argument. No one here is condoning their behavior. Everyone in this thread including me is saying they should be punished.

So what you are saying is that you hate drunk drivers and want extra punishment to them immediately at the cost of tax payers. Spending a night in jail and being released isnt a punishment for a drunk person. Keeping them in a jail for a night or having them sleep at home is no different but one costs a lot of money and leads to more issues. Both will be punished later. What that punishment is should depend on the evidence. That is a judges job, not the cops. There is a reason we separate those jobs out.

 

[Miggs]

There are far more drunk drivers on the road than I realized when I look at the stats, about 121 million a year. Speeding might not be quite the same but it still is putting people lives at risk. Its also the amount. Having a beer and driving isnt a big deal. Going a few over the speed limit isnt a big deal. Having a bunch of beer is a big deal. Going way over the speed limit is a big deal.

Cell phones on the other hand have been shown to be equally dangerous or more dangerous than drunk driving.

I dont mind punishment for drunk driving. I dont like that people get on their moral high horse and condemn drunk drivers and say what awful people they are but they also drive in a way that puts people lives at risk. Speeding is dangerous.

Meh to the speeding. The autobahn has very little accidents iirc.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Maybe it's me but I'm done with this blindness and hypocrisy for the night.

Yes, I agree then. Get some sleep so you can stop with the hypocrisy and blindness, heepeecaacaa!

 

[Zombie]

Meh to the speeding. The autobahn has very little accidents iirc.

I think I'd read somewhere that the real problem isn't so much speeding (aside from the rather obvious fact that crashes at higher speeds are more dangerous) but people driving at vastly different speeds on the same roadway.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Agree, except for the hard punishment stuff. My SIL got a dui last year, got like $2,00 fine and 12 months probation. Didn't even lose her license. That's not cool.

That is pretty light. Although the cost in insurance as well will be huge to them, probably about 12k. Also if they do it again it gets much harsher But is that the normal punishment? I rarely hear of people getting a DUI and not losing their license. But every situation is different. Did she blow barely over the limit and was driving just fine or pulled over?

I have had friends sleep in the back of their vehicles in a proper parking lot and wake up to a police. They are given a harsh DUI. It always seems so dumb to me.

 

[fishonjazz]

Do you also agree that anyone caught speeding should be put in jail? Speeding kills as many people as drunk drivers. I do not know anyone who has been speeding who was handcuffed and taken to jail if they had not caused any property or bodily injury. Do you think the police choosing the death penalty for speeders is appropriate?

I understand that drunk driving is awful. But unless one is a perfect driver and never speeds or is distracted, that person is every bit as big a danger on the road. And it is their choices that cause the problem, just like someone driving impaired.

Speeders are ticketed and sent on their way. No telling if they will continue to speed and injure someone down the road. Impaired drivers should obviously not be sent on their way by driving their car away, but no reason they can't be sent home another way.


https://www.curbed.com/2017/7/28/16051780/us-traffic-death-speeding-statistics-speeding

Nah. Driving drunk is worse than speeding. This is simply fact. A sober driver who is speeding is unlikely to wake up the next day to find their car parked on their lawn with a dent in it and wonder how they got home last night and how that dent got there.

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[fishonjazz]

If an Uber is being called, they aren't driving. What danger do they present as an Uber passenger?

If I'm way drunk and pissed off then that uber driver might just have an unruly passenger on their hands and might need the police again before they get me home.

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[Miggs]

Agree, except for the hard punishment stuff. My SIL got a dui last year, got like $2,00 fine and 12 months probation. Didn't even lose her license. That's not cool.

Did she hire a lawyer who specializes in drunk driving cases? I actually temped out here in NJ like 18-19 years ago for a guy who was a stud in the field. Charged $5,000 up front to take the case. Those costs could escalate some, depending.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Nah. Driving drunk is worse than speeding. This is simply fact. A sober driver who is speeding is unlikely to wake up the next day to find their car parked on their lawn with a dent in it and wonder how they got home last night and how that dent got there.

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That is being extremely drunk if you dont remember for a lot of people. The equivalent of that is driving extremely fast. Both are very dangerous and very stupid.

 

[Beer]

That is pretty light. Although the cost in insurance as well will be huge to them, probably about 12k. Also if they do it again it gets much harsher But is that the normal punishment? I rarely hear of people getting a DUI and not losing their license. But every situation is different. Did she blow barely over the limit and was driving just fine or pulled over?

I have had friends sleep in the back of their vehicles in a proper parking lot and wake up to a police. They are given a harsh DUI. It always seems so dumb to me.

She blew like a .19, was a belligerent bitch to the cop (she is a huge bitch in general), did get cuffed and taken to jail but somehow got bailed out and I could never even find a mugshot (unfortunately). She only got pulled over because multiple cars called police about an erratic driver.

Unfortunately I know a few dui'ers and thats pretty much the norm for 1st, even 2nd time offenses. Fine, probabation, license gone for 90 days at most.

 

[Ron Mexico]

If I'm way drunk and pissed off then that uber driver might just have an unruly passenger on their hands and might need the police again before they get me home.

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Yeah, I am actually not a fan of the uber/taxi thing. That is not something they want to deal with. That is why I think they should be able to call a friend or family. If they cant and seem reasonable maybe you can use digression and let them take a didi if they arent that bad. This depends on how drunk. If you are barely over the limit or if you are fall down drunk. Also if you are pissed off and being mean and a threat to people then by all means take them to jail for the night.