Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement


One Brow

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Are you sure?
Very sure. Think about the words "prescribed" and "requirement", and what they mean in this sentence:
'We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages”.

Now, compare that to:
"Dissolution of the family structure"

In case you are felling a little slower than usual today, the first statement is a proclamation that BLM rejects the hetero-normative requirement that families consist of two parents of different sex and gender, the second is fear-mongering that BLM does not believe in families at all.

Also, there are numerous videos of the founders of BLM calling themselves "trained Marxists" and calling for a Marxist revolution. Am I supposed to believe them at their own words? Or you who apparently knows better somehow, someway?
This country was founded, in part, by avid slavers and land speculators, who felt only white, male land-owners deserved the vote, and even then needed to be controlled. Do you believe that means those are the principles of this country? Or, it is possible that organization do not take on the all of the attributes of some of their founders?

The words of BLM are the words that BLM uses, not that some people who have played a part in BLM use.
 

Jazz4ever

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I mean, would the cops be excused if they got my address wrong and started blowing away my family in the middle of the night too?

If only we had amendments that guarded against these types of searches from police. Something about unreasonable searches and seizures and due process would be nice...
You can always relax the laws, but drugs are a big problem in recent years, almost double the overdosing deaths in the last 10 years. Letting the dealers run unchecked is indirect murdering.

 

One Brow

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I’m more bothered that the more I learn the more it seems she was involved at some level in dealing drugs.
Do you have something more to go on the the selectively edited Tatum Report?

So the media trying to portray her as a complete innocent who was murdered seems dishonest at best.
She was not a complete innocent, but seems to have been completely innocent in the sense of having no record she committed crimes, unless you have found something.

She didn’t deserve to die for her alleged crimes, but once her bf started shooting what other choice did the cops have?
Again, "started shooting" implies more than one shot. He shot once. Why do you think you are slanting your language to make the actions of Taylor and K. Walker seem worse than they were?
 

Joncolton

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Onebrow, the context matters.

Marx, Engels and every Communist movement since has advocated the abolition of the family because they see it as part of patriarchal oppression of the capitalist system, the family unit also is an impediment to the influence and control of the state.




You can argue the semantics of it all day, but this has been and is a primary goal of every Communist agenda. You could also argue that Marx had good intentions in wanting to have the children into the care of the state, but the results in every country where communism is tried, look the same:

" We were seduced into returning to our hometowns in the villages so they could reveal our true identities. Then the genocide began. First, it was the men.

They took my father. They told my family that my father needed to be reeducated. Brainwashed. But my father's fate is unknown to this day. We can only imagine what happened to him. This is true for almost all Cambodian widows and orphans. We live in fear of finding out what atrocities were committed against our fathers, husbands, brothers. What could they have done that deserved a tortured death?

Later the Khmer Rouge killed the wives and children of the executed men in order to avoid revenge. They encouraged children to find fault with their own parents and spy on them. They openly showed their intention to destroy the family structure that once held love, faith, comfort, happiness, and companionship. They took young children from their homes to live in a commune so that they could indoctrinate them."





This country was founded, in part, by avid slavers and land speculators, who felt only white, male land-owners deserved the vote, and even then needed to be controlled. Do you believe that means those are the principles of this country? Or, it is possible that organization do not take on the all of the attributes of some of their founders?
The country is 250 years old, BLM is 6 years old. Its founders are still alive, speaking and organizing - that's a big difference. The ancient wisdom says, by their fruits ye shall know them. The fruits of the American experiment are greater prosperity, freedom and advances in science over the last 200 years (the effects of which have been felt across the world) than at any other time in human history. If African-Americans broke off from the United States and were their own country with their own economy, they'd be the 15th richest nation in the world.

The fruits of the BLM movement include abolishing the police department in Minneapolis.


They also include the funding cuts and in police departments in Baltimore, New York, Chicago, Ferguson and others. The results have which are a tremendous increase in the number of homicides. Good intentions aside, black Americans are now being murdered at an unprecedented rates across this country thanks to the efforts of Black Lives Matter.

These neighborhoods now have burnt down black businesses with no hopes of re-opening because now it's not only burnt out, but the police are decreasing their patrols of the neighborhoods so it's too high risk to invest in. A lot of businesses are compromised by the new, and much higher price of insurance that you'd have to purchase and with things going up in smoke every time there is a police action, most outsiders don't want to invest in these communities. And most of the black business people that live there can't afford to now.





 

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You can always relax the laws, but drugs are a big problem in recent years, almost double the overdosing deaths in the last 10 years. Letting the dealers run unchecked is indirect murdering.

I agree. The cops should be breaking into the homes of wealthy pharmaceutical company owners and shooting them down. Cause of how big of a problem opioids are. Especially in pill form.

I have lost multiple friends to pain pills. Get them big time dealers coppers!

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The Thriller

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You can always relax the laws, but drugs are a big problem in recent years, almost double the overdosing deaths in the last 10 years. Letting the dealers run unchecked is indirect murdering.

Dealers or doctors working with big pharmaceutical to get people hooked on opioids? I think in order to properly tackle our “drug problem” we need to properly define these issues. Because what you’re describing (and the article you linked) is the opioid problem which is separate from the “drug war problem” that involved Taylor. The two are vastly different.
 

gandalfe

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She was not a complete innocent, but seems to have been completely innocent in the sense of having no record she committed crimes, unless you have found something.
Frankly, I don't know anybody who has never committed a crime, and neither do any of us. In fact, most of us do something illegal EVERY DAY. That's what makes it so insidious, there's no way to get thru life completely clean, so they can always find a reason to say we deserved to die. This is especially true for the poor.
 

The Thriller

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I agree. The cops should be breaking into the homes of wealthy pharmaceutical company owners and shooting them down. Cause of how big of a problem opioids are. Especially in pill form.

I have lost multiple friends to pain pills. Get them big time dealers coppers!

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very good post.

But if the cops did that, they’d receive backlash. Those white and affluent drug dealers would lawyer up and fight. It’s a lot easier to just bust some black or brown person for carrying some weed. They won’t resist. They’ll take the first plea bargain offered.

it’s a win win! Your PD gets to keep the confiscated property taken from the black/brown weed carrier. while your prosecutors get to campaign for higher office as being “tough on crime.” The federal government continues to pump billions into your PD for the war on drugs. And those with ah-hem racial axes to grind get happy seeing POC labeled as felons, unable to vote, ineligible for welfare, and kept into their lowly places.

Bust into the houses of those big pharm CEOs? ****...now you’d really be stepping into it.
 
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Beer

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No one is completely innocent, and the evidence that she was even an alleged criminal is thin at best.

I would submit that going in guns blazing to a house not even owned or lived in by the subject of the warrant renders the whole discussion of what the cops were supposed to do when Breonna's boyfriend started defending his home to be meaningless. It misses the entire point of why people are upset over her killing. The police created the situation they found themselves in and neither Breonna nor her boyfriend have anything to answer for regarding how that night went down.
I generally agree with that.
 

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So should police keep killing black people in the streets, or not?

Let's have a big boy talk.
 

One Brow

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Onebrow, the context matters.

Marx, Engels and every Communist movement since has advocated the abolition of the family because they see it as part of patriarchal oppression of the capitalist system, the family unit also is an impediment to the influence and control of the state.
I am a big believer in context.

So, using modus tollens, since BLM has not advocated for the dissolution of the family, they are not a communist movement?

The fruits of the BLM movement include abolishing the police department in Minneapolis.
The police department i Minneapolis is still standing, and the is nothing in place that will remove it. No such laws, budgets, orders, etc. have been passed. Feel free to check.

They also include the funding cuts and in police departments in Baltimore, New York, Chicago, Ferguson and others. The results have which are a tremendous increase in the number of homicides.
I'm sure you can link to some comparison statistics for that claim, say, comparing Baltimore with St. Louis to see if there is an effect on funding and murder rate. Right? Because if you can't find such an effect, if may be that the police actually don't do as much to prevent murders as some people think.

These neighborhoods now have burnt down black businesses with no hopes of re-opening because now it's not only burnt out, but the police are decreasing their patrols of the neighborhoods so it's too high risk to invest in.
Rebuilding will be slow. Harlem was built slowly, until the government stepped in and the money was drained. Black Wall Street in Tulsa was built slowly, until the riot destroyed it. Rebuilding will happen, and if white people are too scared too invest, black wealth will be built.

A lot of businesses are compromised by the new, and much higher price of insurance that you'd have to purchase and with things going up in smoke every time there is a police action, most outsiders don't want to invest in these communities. And most of the black business people that live there can't afford to now.
Perhaps homicides are up because people are angry and disconnected this year? You know, with the pandemic, increased unemployment, etc.?
 

Beer

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very good post.

But if the cops did that, they’d receive backlash. Those white and affluent drug dealers would lawyer up and fight. It’s a lot easier to just bust some black or brown person for carrying some weed. They won’t resist. They’ll take the first plea bargain offered.

it’s a win win! Your PD gets to keep the confiscated property taken from the black/brown weed carrier. while your prosecutors get to campaign for higher office as being “tough on crime.” The federal government continues to pump billions into your PD for the war on drugs. And those with ah-hem racial axes to grind get happy seeing POC labeled as felons, unable to vote, ineligible for welfare, and kept into their lowly places.

Bust into the houses of those big pharm CEOs? ****...now you’d really be stepping into it.
I believe Aaron Shamo was arrested during a no knock warrant. No shots fired, no deaths, life in prison.
 

One Brow

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The majority of warrants like ARE served at night to avoid citizens getting hurt. Why would you come down a street in swat gear at high noon on a police raid for an individual you know probably has guns????? also it’s called tactics, why would the police want the drug dealers to know they are coming? So they can flush the drugs? Give me a break man. Your brain only accepts what it wants.
It was a no-knock warrant. Why not serve it during the day, when Taylor was at work? Then you don't even need guns, just the battering ram.

What evidence did the police have that Taylor had a gun (remember, they were not expecting K. Walker to be there)?

I agree it's tactics. It's the tactic of trying to get a sleepy, confused, scared person to blurt something out that can be used to convict them. that's why they waited until Taylor was asleep.
 

zyzz

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Funny. Right wingers on here have been telling us for months that the real threat is BLM and antifa, not right wing terrorists and white supremacists groups.

Good thing Trump didn't tweet LIBERATE MICHIGAN. Oh wait...


I hate that they're called a militia and not domestic terrorists in all of these articles. Seems to meet these two criteria

(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping
 

The Thriller

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Good thing Trump didn't tweet LIBERATE MICHIGAN. Oh wait...


I hate that they're called a militia and not domestic terrorists in all of these articles. Seems to meet these two criteria
Excellent points all around. I completely agree, had they been black/brown and/or Muslim, we all know they'd be called terrorists.
 
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