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NAOS said:
The first problem is that his base perceives it as a joke (or a non-serious or -binding comment).

The second problem is the inability to reach these people through established institutions or even communication platforms, in general. You know... reach them, and then reason through our problems together. In a very real sense, they appear hardened into their position. Shaming certainly hasn’t seemed like an effective tool in changing minds.
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Regarding the first problem, it was not delivered as a joke at all. But, no way his base will ever interpret it as a reason to criticize him.

Regarding the second problem, I think establishing himself as a victim is virtually foolproof as a way to prevent anyone from reaching his base, reasoning with his base. Any and every criticism of him can be immediately interpreted as him being victimized once again. Once he cemented that construct, his base never has to examine any of the criticisms. They all become examples of his enemies attacking him, examples of fake news, nothing presented ever has to be examined for its actual content, or judged for its veracity. By becoming the victim, he eliminates any need his followers might otherwise have to actually....think. They no longer have to use their own minds to think. His victimhood has created an impenetrable barrier that the truth simply can not penetrate. It’s diabolical. And at that stage, it’s a cult.
 
Red said:
Regarding the first problem, it was not delivered as a joke at all. But, no way his base will ever interpret it as a reason to criticize him.

Regarding the second problem, I think establishing himself as a victim is virtually foolproof as a way to prevent anyone from reaching his base, reasoning with his base. Any and every criticism of him can be immediately interpreted as him being victimized once again. Once he cemented that construct, his base never has to examine any of the criticisms. They all become examples of his enemies attacking him, examples of fake news, nothing presented ever has to be examined for its actual content, or judged for its veracity. By becoming the victim, he eliminates any need his followers might otherwise have to actually....think. They no longer have to use their own minds to think. His victimhood has created an impenetrable barrier that the truth simply can not penetrate. It’s diabolical. And at that stage, it’s a cult.
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Agree. I’d just add that the role of the victim is an extension of the role of the Political Outsider that right wing media outlets and republican coalitions have been cultivating since the 60s. This is a deep problem.
 
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NAOS said:
Agree. I’d just add that the role of the victim is an extension of the role of the Political Outsider that right wing media outlets and republican coalitions have been cultivating since the 60s. This is a deep problem.
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Truth.
 
Red said:
Did a prank help derail Trump’s rally?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/21/style/tiktok-trump-rally-tulsa.html

President Trump’s campaign promised huge crowds at his rally in Tulsa, Okla., on Saturday, but it failed to deliver. Hundreds of teenage TikTok users and K-pop fans say they’re at least partially responsible.

TikTok users and fans of Korean pop music groups claimed to have registered potentially hundreds of thousands of tickets for Mr. Trump’s campaign rally as a prank. After the Trump campaign’s official account @TeamTrump posted a tweet asking supporters to register for free tickets using their phones on June 11, K-pop fan accounts began sharing the information with followers, encouraging them to register for the rally — and then not show.

Many users deleted their posts after 24 to 48 hours in order to conceal their plan and keep it from spreading into the mainstream internet. “The majority of people who made them deleted them after the first day because we didn’t want the Trump campaign to catch wind,” Mr. Daniel said. “These kids are smart and they thought of everything.”
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This should get sickening very fast. Tik Tok is a Chinese owned platform. Even though this has every earmark of a grassroots trolling campaign, look for the right to spin this as a "China is colluding with the left because they support Bejing Joe story."
 
candrew said:
This should get sickening very fast. Tik Tok is a Chinese owned platform. Even though this has every earmark of a grassroots trolling campaign, look for the right to spin this as a "China is colluding with the left because they support Bejing Joe story."
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I mean, they've already tried doing this, but a bunch of teenagers using tiktok to send videos of them pranking Donald Trump's campaign isn't quite the slam dunk conspiracy they think it is.
 
Zombie said:
I mean, they've already tried doing this, but a bunch of teenagers using tiktok to send videos of them pranking Donald Trump's campaign isn't quite the slam dunk conspiracy they think it is.
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This will still end up as part of the spin at some point. Whether anyone buys it is another consideration. Ol Don will spin with anything.
 
NAOS said:
I wish the Trumpers who see him as an economic ally would understand one thing:

Trump did nothing but dump gas on OBAMA’S ECONOMY. He was doing nothing but over-heating certain economic strengths that he inherited. And history is clear: those actions eventually steer us into a correction (Coronavirus has just delivered us to this point more quickly than we would have been otherwise been delivered).

If Trump has a secret cohort, I fear it’s a clique of douchebags who feel like they’ve hacked into some kind of logic where they believe they can profit from his brand of chaos—essentially shorting certain sectors of the economy and then pivoting and picking the right time to go on stock-buying sprees. I mean, **** civic duty, right?
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I’d argue that deregulation is an area where trump has influenced the economy beyond what Obama did.

And you know how much I hate trump. So I’m just saying,
 
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silesian said:
I’d argue that deregulation is an area where trump has influenced the economy beyond what Obama dud.

And you know how much I hate trump. So I’m just saying,
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The deregulation was the “gas dumping” thing that I mentioned.
 
Red said:
Yeah, that can absolutely be translated as Trump not caring how many Americans die from Covid-19. Testing revealed positives, leading to quarantines, and fewer cases. Also leading to contact tracing, and fewer cases. His call to slow down testing leads to more deaths. And this is funny exactly how?

I would hope, at his next presser, whether formal, or on a tarmac, or wherever, that reporters press him on this “joke”. I want to hear him, or any of his spokespeople, explain the joke. What exactly was the punch line of this joke? Why did the audience not laugh? And do not let him brush the question aside. If he does, next reporter up presses the issue: please explain what the punch line was; what was the humor in what you said, sir?
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Agreed, although from what I heard many of the audience DID laugh. Which perhaps says something about them.
 
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