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Off-season 2020 Conley Trade Ideas

Banking on, no? But totally dismantling the team because Paul is older? No, too imo.
this year's team may have outperformed how good they really are. Subtract Gallo... then factor in the New Orleans is on the rise, Warriors will be back next year, Portland should have better health... they might keep it together to be a late lotto team.

How many players do they have that are part of the next good/great thunder team? SGA is the only one you could be relatively certain on. Those guys performing well helps you get off the bad money and maybe lands you some minor assets... pivot now and you can bottom out earlier and pair SGA with some young talent to grow up with. Presti knows that high picks are crucial to building a team. I'd be somewhat shocked if they don't pivot into full rebuild mode.
 
this year's team may have outperformed how good they really are. Subtract Gallo... then factor in the New Orleans is on the rise, Warriors will be back next year, Portland should have better health... they might keep it together to be a late lotto team.

How many players do they have that are part of the next good/great thunder team? SGA is the only one you could be relatively certain on. Those guys performing well helps you get off the bad money and maybe lands you some minor assets... pivot now and you can bottom out earlier and pair SGA with some young talent to grow up with. Presti knows that high picks are crucial to building a team. I'd be somewhat shocked if they don't pivot into full rebuild mode.

Not sure why you definitively think they’ll lose Gallo as if a) He’ll be the most sought after free agent and b) Every other team has some abundance of cap room.
 
Not sure why you definitively think they’ll lose Gallo as if a) He’ll be the most sought after free agent and b) Every other team has some abundance of cap room.
He will want a long term deal and is 32... with an injury history. I'd be reluctant to sign him if I was OKC. I could see them doing a sign and trade. It was well known that he was on his way to Miami at the trade deadline if Miami gave him the extension he wanted... they balked.
 
Here is my Mike Conley take that I think I've settled on... He is a guy that can take a ****** offense and make it average... without hurting the defense much. He isn't necessarily the guy that takes a good offense and makes them great. So he'd be perfect for a bottom feeder or off the bench for a contender. If we can't keep JC for a solid price then Mike will have decent utility... if we keep JC he's redundant but helpful if used properly.
 
@LoPo gonna love this ****.

I'm seeing that the Knicks are basically saying we hate Kevin Knox. I get it... he is terrible... like really bad... like a poor man's Trey Lyles. That's not very good... but they have done him no favors... kid is not even 21. He's in NY. The organization is toxic and they have played him as a SF with a bunch of ball hoggy dudes and they have no shooting. As bad as he's been he's has the type of frame that has some upside (6'9" with a close to 7 foot wingspan), he's kinda athletic and his shot isn't broken. Even if he was good I think that environment really chokes out talent... you can plant an amazing fruit tree in the desert and it will still die.

Frankie Smokes has also been bad... solid defender and still super young. Worth a flyer on talent... At very least I could see him as a solid 4th guard alongside DM or JC to take the tougher defensive assignment. The biggest asset he provides is that he is the link that binds our two best players. DM is tight with him and he is French which will hopefully help him identify with Rudy.

Two interesting flyers... 1 may have some locker room benefits. We tout our ability to develop guys... here are some guys that had enough talent/upside to get drafted in the mid lottery.

NY needs Mike Conley... he's perfect... help them build some respect, veteran that can setup the younger guys, help their team go from anemic to scrappy? Can serve as a mentor to whatever young pg they draft (if they draft a pg).

Sooooo.... we trade Mike for Frank and Knox and 2-3 good second round picks (they have Charlotte and Detroit's 2nd rounders in 2021). They can do an uneven trade because they have copious amounts of cap space. This obviously saves us some money, but it also creates a huge trade exception. So say we get a player like Christian Wood to agree to sign with us for something over the midlevel... we now have a cap asset to use in a sign and trade. Detroit could pick up a second rounder for their trouble. Could also be used in season and we could use our MLE without worry of going into the tax. Basically this offseason we will be choosing between using the MLE or re-signing JC... doing both will push us in the tax and that ain't happening in this economic environment.

Basically I am good with our top 6 dudes right now... Ingles, DM, Bojan, Royce, Rudy with JC off the bench... we have some interesting prospects but I could see Frank being a solid 8th guy... I have less hope for Knox but he's kind of a big swing guy. IF he figures it out (and he has a lot to figure out) he's a high upside talent and the type of player that is really valuable. I honestly have more hope for Brantley being a useful player.

Having the trade exception allows us to do some things to add to that top 6 with something more useful than Mike. He's our 7th most important player imo and redundant... yet he eats up a ton of our cap space. Would rather get some flyers, middling draft assets, and cap flexibility.
 
Or a 3 team version of the trade above... this one is for @infection cuz he love him some OP Jr.

We send Mike to NY, we get OP Jr. from Chicago, Frankie Smokes goes to Chicago (allows them to walk away from Kris Dunn because they will have a defensive pg who can't create or shoot).

Chicago goes from no space to $20M+. They are in a better position to sign a FA than NY is... NY gets a vet rental to help them be respectable. We get a nice combo forward that could do quite well in our system if healthy... if not he is on an expiring deal.
 
Or a 3 team version of the trade above... this one is for @infection cuz he love him some OP Jr.

We send Mike to NY, we get OP Jr. from Chicago, Frankie Smokes goes to Chicago (allows them to walk away from Kris Dunn because they will have a defensive pg who can't create or shoot).

Chicago goes from no space to $20M+. They are in a better position to sign a FA than NY is... NY gets a vet rental to help them be respectable. We get a nice combo forward that could do quite well in our system if healthy... if not he is on an expiring deal.
Do we get Dunn?

Dunn
Mitchell
Royce
OPJ
Gobert
 
Do we get Dunn?

Dunn
Mitchell
Royce
OPJ
Gobert

Sure... why the hell not!

It would be:
DM
Ingles
2 of OP JR/Bojan/Royce
Rudy

I want to build off the DM/Ingles/Rudy starting lineup... JC off the bench carries those units. JC and DM with bench units hasn't been great... Dunn and OP are both injury prone... so I might leave Bojan and Royce with starters and mix in Dunn/OP/JC off the bench.
 
I actually think Chicago has a good chance of losing Dunn... his qualifying offer is now like 7.5M so he may be unrestricted. They have White/Lavine/Sato and may end up drafting another guard.
 
Sometimes thing work, sometimes they don't, but Conley's regression this year has been sobering. It's not really the points, to me, it's the shooting percentage both from 2 and 3 which are basically career lows.

Not exactly a good return rate for $32M. Is he going to turn down $34M next year to chase a ring for someone? Not so sure, but you kind of hope he does.

the drop in percentages is awful. But I’d also add that he just looked physically overpowered + had very few ways to help get his teammates involved.

He played small, with few dimensions, and shot horribly.

One of the worst trades in all the NBA over a decade-long span.
 
the drop in percentages is awful. But I’d also add that he just looked physically overpowered + had very few ways to help get his teammates involved.

He played small, with few dimensions, and shot horribly.

One of the worst trades in all the NBA over a decade-long span.
Looked at some lineup data today... because why not. Conley and JC off the bench actually worked pretty well. If we can't find anything better to do with him I hope the front office allows the coach to move him to the bench (they essentially neutered the coach when he tried the first time).
 
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