Off-season 2020 Conley Trade Ideas

[Keefe]

Ya that would be crazy huh? Trading for the guy they would’ve tried to sign on a similar contract had the sizers not traded for him and we had not traded for Conley.


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You know we made that same offer? And that we signed Royce since then? And (stupidly) added another year to Joe? And that the coronavirus is still going on?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You know we made that same offer? And that we signed Royce since then? And (stupidly) added another year to Joe? And that the coronavirus is still going on?

That extra year to Joe's deal ain't looking so sweet right now. I understood why they did it at the time (kind of).

If we got Harris I think we'd move Bojan.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

At this point we have to accept that Conley is very likely (95% IMO) not to be traded.
I can see only two possible deals (I actually don't think we could make a trade with Philly)
Mike + (....) for OPJ + (...) more likely
Mike + (....) for CP3 + (...) less likely
But I really don't know if these could work as I'm not very knowledgeable on trades...

Actually I think a trade for CP3 is more likely. It just makes too much sense for OKC to do a deal for Conley. They save money in a year, plus with SGA being their future and also having Schroeder, it would be much easier to have Conley come off the bench than Paul

 

[Troat Guru]

Actually I think a trade for CP3 is more likely. It just makes too much sense for OKC to do a deal for Conley. They save money in a year, plus with SGA being their future and also having Schroeder, it would be much easier to have Conley come off the bench than Paul

I really like CP3 (love watching his plays), and so I wouldn't mind doing this trade, but actually I don't know if Utah really want to get the whole CP3 deal.
I mean, It will be a very uncomfortable situation having to pay about $44,000,000 to Paul in 2021-2022 season (while Mike deal will finish next year).
This is the big flaw of this trade, and that's why it doesn't seem to me very likely.

 

[Keefe]

OKC was REALLY good this year after like the first dozen games. Paul wants to be there. They were very good with him. It’s stupid to think they’d want to trade him. With a little organic growth from the young guys and one decent cheap pickup to be their 7th or 8th man, they could be a 55 win team next year.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

OKC was REALLY good this year after like the first dozen games. Paul wants to be there. They were very good with him. It’s stupid to think they’d want to trade him. With a little organic growth from the young guys and one decent cheap pickup to be their 7th or 8th man, they could be a 55 win team next year.

Maybe, but at the same time he’s no spring Chicken anymore, how much longer will he be elite, which means they’re stuck with that contract with no way to improve the team for the future wasting years of SGA.

Not that I’d really want to do this though, I just think Wes Manbun is wrong idiot!

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

OKC was REALLY good this year after like the first dozen games. Paul wants to be there. They were very good with him. It’s stupid to think they’d want to trade him. With a little organic growth from the young guys and one decent cheap pickup to be their 7th or 8th man, they could be a 55 win team next year.

Except Gallo probably walks... they are building around SGA and what else? They need to tank and rebuild... their best players are on the downside of their careers... some dangerously close to huge decline. CP won't play every game like he did this year. Adams looks to be slowing down... although he is younger than most think. IF they can clear space and get stuff for CP, Adams, Gallo (sign and trade) they will be much better off long term.

I wouldn't do CP for Conley right now. I would have done it earlier in the year maybe... but not getting him for this playoff run makes a big difference. This is the healthiest CP will be going into the playoffs. I could see them making some noise.

 

[Troat Guru]

OKC was REALLY good this year after like the first dozen games. Paul wants to be there. They were very good with him. It’s stupid to think they’d want to trade him. With a little organic growth from the young guys and one decent cheap pickup to be their 7th or 8th man, they could be a 55 win team next year.

I don't think so.
IMO OKC will try to trade CP3 and plan to build a "long-term" team...

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think so.
IMO OKC will try to trade CP3 and plan to build a "long-term" team...

When they did the deal with Houston the got a bunch of picks because CP looked washed and he was negative value. If they can shave a year off of his contract or get a small asset for taking on similar but worse money it’d be a huge win. I think CP to NY makes a lot of sense. He may strangle the young guys but they’d win some games.

 

[Keefe]

What can they build around? SGA, Schröder, Adams, and a couple other young guys like Diallo who could improve a lot. And oh yeah, Paul.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What can they build around? SGA, Schröder, Adams, and a couple other young guys like Diallo who could improve a lot. And oh yeah, Paul.

They might run it back, but it will be delaying the needed pivot/rebuild. Paul is 35... Gallo was a big part of their success and has struggle with injuries throughout his career... you paying that guy at 32?

Schroder and Adams are fine, but they are who they are at this point in their career. Diallo is bad... their other young guys don't project to be anything worth planning around.

There most likely future core is SGA and whoever they pick with all the future picks they collected. They would have moved Gallo at the deadline but he wanted an extension that Miami wouldn't give him. They are headed to a rebuild. Their success this year was a nice bonus but not something they are banking on.

 

[Keefe]

They might run it back, but it will be delaying the needed pivot/rebuild. Paul is 35... Gallo was a big part of their success and has struggle with injuries throughout his career... you paying that guy at 32?

Schroder and Adams are fine, but they are who they are at this point in their career. Diallo is bad... their other young guys don't project to be anything worth planning around.

There most likely future core is SGA and whoever they pick with all the future picks they collected. They would have moved Gallo at the deadline but he wanted an extension that Miami wouldn't give him. They are headed to a rebuild. Their success this year was a nice bonus but not something they are banking on.

Banking on, no? But totally dismantling the team because Paul is older? No, too imo.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Banking on, no? But totally dismantling the team because Paul is older? No, too imo.

this year's team may have outperformed how good they really are. Subtract Gallo... then factor in the New Orleans is on the rise, Warriors will be back next year, Portland should have better health... they might keep it together to be a late lotto team.

How many players do they have that are part of the next good/great thunder team? SGA is the only one you could be relatively certain on. Those guys performing well helps you get off the bad money and maybe lands you some minor assets... pivot now and you can bottom out earlier and pair SGA with some young talent to grow up with. Presti knows that high picks are crucial to building a team. I'd be somewhat shocked if they don't pivot into full rebuild mode.

 

[Keefe]

this year's team may have outperformed how good they really are. Subtract Gallo... then factor in the New Orleans is on the rise, Warriors will be back next year, Portland should have better health... they might keep it together to be a late lotto team.

How many players do they have that are part of the next good/great thunder team? SGA is the only one you could be relatively certain on. Those guys performing well helps you get off the bad money and maybe lands you some minor assets... pivot now and you can bottom out earlier and pair SGA with some young talent to grow up with. Presti knows that high picks are crucial to building a team. I'd be somewhat shocked if they don't pivot into full rebuild mode.

Not sure why you definitively think they’ll lose Gallo as if a) He’ll be the most sought after free agent and b) Every other team has some abundance of cap room.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Not sure why you definitively think they’ll lose Gallo as if a) He’ll be the most sought after free agent and b) Every other team has some abundance of cap room.

He will want a long term deal and is 32... with an injury history. I'd be reluctant to sign him if I was OKC. I could see them doing a sign and trade. It was well known that he was on his way to Miami at the trade deadline if Miami gave him the extension he wanted... they balked.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Here is my Mike Conley take that I think I've settled on... He is a guy that can take a ****** offense and make it average... without hurting the defense much. He isn't necessarily the guy that takes a good offense and makes them great. So he'd be perfect for a bottom feeder or off the bench for a contender. If we can't keep JC for a solid price then Mike will have decent utility... if we keep JC he's redundant but helpful if used properly.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

@LoPo gonna love this ****.

I'm seeing that the Knicks are basically saying we hate Kevin Knox. I get it... he is terrible... like really bad... like a poor man's Trey Lyles. That's not very good... but they have done him no favors... kid is not even 21. He's in NY. The organization is toxic and they have played him as a SF with a bunch of ball hoggy dudes and they have no shooting. As bad as he's been he's has the type of frame that has some upside (6'9" with a close to 7 foot wingspan), he's kinda athletic and his shot isn't broken. Even if he was good I think that environment really chokes out talent... you can plant an amazing fruit tree in the desert and it will still die.

Frankie Smokes has also been bad... solid defender and still super young. Worth a flyer on talent... At very least I could see him as a solid 4th guard alongside DM or JC to take the tougher defensive assignment. The biggest asset he provides is that he is the link that binds our two best players. DM is tight with him and he is French which will hopefully help him identify with Rudy.

Two interesting flyers... 1 may have some locker room benefits. We tout our ability to develop guys... here are some guys that had enough talent/upside to get drafted in the mid lottery.

NY needs Mike Conley... he's perfect... help them build some respect, veteran that can setup the younger guys, help their team go from anemic to scrappy? Can serve as a mentor to whatever young pg they draft (if they draft a pg).

Sooooo.... we trade Mike for Frank and Knox and 2-3 good second round picks (they have Charlotte and Detroit's 2nd rounders in 2021). They can do an uneven trade because they have copious amounts of cap space. This obviously saves us some money, but it also creates a huge trade exception. So say we get a player like Christian Wood to agree to sign with us for something over the midlevel... we now have a cap asset to use in a sign and trade. Detroit could pick up a second rounder for their trouble. Could also be used in season and we could use our MLE without worry of going into the tax. Basically this offseason we will be choosing between using the MLE or re-signing JC... doing both will push us in the tax and that ain't happening in this economic environment.

Basically I am good with our top 6 dudes right now... Ingles, DM, Bojan, Royce, Rudy with JC off the bench... we have some interesting prospects but I could see Frank being a solid 8th guy... I have less hope for Knox but he's kind of a big swing guy. IF he figures it out (and he has a lot to figure out) he's a high upside talent and the type of player that is really valuable. I honestly have more hope for Brantley being a useful player.

Having the trade exception allows us to do some things to add to that top 6 with something more useful than Mike. He's our 7th most important player imo and redundant... yet he eats up a ton of our cap space. Would rather get some flyers, middling draft assets, and cap flexibility.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Or a 3 team version of the trade above... this one is for @infection cuz he love him some OP Jr.

We send Mike to NY, we get OP Jr. from Chicago, Frankie Smokes goes to Chicago (allows them to walk away from Kris Dunn because they will have a defensive pg who can't create or shoot).

Chicago goes from no space to $20M+. They are in a better position to sign a FA than NY is... NY gets a vet rental to help them be respectable. We get a nice combo forward that could do quite well in our system if healthy... if not he is on an expiring deal.

 

[infection]

Or a 3 team version of the trade above... this one is for @infection cuz he love him some OP Jr.

We send Mike to NY, we get OP Jr. from Chicago, Frankie Smokes goes to Chicago (allows them to walk away from Kris Dunn because they will have a defensive pg who can't create or shoot).

Chicago goes from no space to $20M+. They are in a better position to sign a FA than NY is... NY gets a vet rental to help them be respectable. We get a nice combo forward that could do quite well in our system if healthy... if not he is on an expiring deal.

Do we get Dunn?

Dunn
Mitchell
Royce
OPJ
Gobert

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Do we get Dunn?

Dunn
Mitchell
Royce
OPJ
Gobert

Sure... why the hell not!

It would be:
DM
Ingles
2 of OP JR/Bojan/Royce
Rudy

I want to build off the DM/Ingles/Rudy starting lineup... JC off the bench carries those units. JC and DM with bench units hasn't been great... Dunn and OP are both injury prone... so I might leave Bojan and Royce with starters and mix in Dunn/OP/JC off the bench.