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Don/Rudy ESPN Article

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Like I said, much to do about nothing. I thought it was an excellent article. The media and fans look for drama and I can tell you if both superstar's fiction is a 2 out of 10 then everything is going to be ok. Both guys have egos but what is important is both are competitive and want to win. I loved the quote where Rudy says if I were a 12 year old I would rather watch DM. Just shows you that Rudy is not full of himself.
 
It definitely doesn't (didn't) seem like nothing to me. I'm glad they are on decent terms now, but it absolutely seems like it was a pretty big deal.

Just connecting a bunch of dots, salary cap, contracts, league trends, future of the league, and now this, I'd say it's very unlikely that the Jazz keep their current core around for the long run. But hopefully they figure out how to make it work.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
It definitely doesn't (didn't) seem like nothing to me. I'm glad they are on decent terms now, but it absolutely seems like it was a pretty big deal.

Just connecting a bunch of dots, salary cap, contracts, league trends, future of the league, and now this, I'd say it's very unlikely that the Jazz keep their current core around for the long run. But hopefully they figure out how to make it work.
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Agree... felt like I read a different article than the other posters... Here is my take. This is a marriage on the rocks and they are going on a 14 day European cruise together. Will it save the marriage and remind them why they need to be together or will it drive the stake in the heart of the relationship. Honestly the worst scenario is that it just kinda goes "meh" and they go into the summer with a passive aggressive tension while negotiating contracts.

Let's break it down... Rudy doesn't get the ball anymore... you took two passers out of the starting lineup from last year so it rests on Don to kinda get him going. He gets frustrated/jealous and things don't change... The team chemistry is off all year and Rudy stops giving the monster defensive efforts he used to. Then the virus hits...

Rudy test positive and maybe there were shenanigans behind closed doors. I think we are guessing... if it was just that Rudy had out of country visitors and touched some microphones then DM is being a diva. He had out of town people and was not distancing at all... had lots of pics before one of the games with his mom and some foundation.

Rudy reaches out on every platform...DM ghosts him... DM goes on national TV and throws him under the bus... DM stonewalls him for weeks until Rudy says "hey I'm not coming on these zoom calls unless DM and I can clear the air" so finally they talk. And now they are "good".

Rudy seems very introspective and honest. Calls himself the *******, annoying, etc. It appears to me he is VERY self aware. I think he is cool without the megamax, I think he is cool doing the dirty work (if he feels appreciated), I think he is cool seemingly being the Robin to DM's Batman even if it is the other way around. I don't think DM is doing enough to understand his perspective, be sympathetic, and adjust.

I love both of these guys, they need to figure it out and connect rather than just "staying together for the kids"... otherwise at the next bump in the road all the issues re-surface.

The other quote from an insider saying it was a 2 out of 10 on the drama scale... Daryl Morey also said there were no issues with CP and Harden before he traded CP for a guy that didn't fit, cost a **** ton of money, and gave up picks to do so. This **** ain't good guys.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Agree... felt like I read a different article than the other posters... Here is my take. This is a marriage on the rocks and they are going on a 14 day European cruise together. Will it save the marriage and remind them why they need to be together or will it drive the stake in the heart of the relationship. Honestly the worst scenario is that it just kinda goes "meh" and they go into the summer with a passive aggressive tension while negotiating contracts.

Let's break it down... Rudy doesn't get the ball anymore... you took two passers out of the starting lineup from last year so it rests on Don to kinda get him going. He gets frustrated/jealous and things don't change... The team chemistry is off all year and Rudy stops giving the monster defensive efforts he used to. Then the virus hits...

Rudy test positive and maybe there were shenanigans behind closed doors. I think we are guessing... if it was just that Rudy had out of country visitors and touched some microphones then DM is being a diva. He had out of town people and was not distancing at all... had lots of pics before one of the games with his mom and some foundation.

Rudy reaches out on every platform...DM ghosts him... DM goes on national TV and throws him under the bus... DM stonewalls him for weeks until Rudy says "hey I'm not coming on these zoom calls unless DM and I can clear the air" so finally they talk. And now they are "good".

Rudy seems very introspective and honest. Calls himself the *******, annoying, etc. It appears to me he is VERY self aware. I think he is cool without the megamax, I think he is cool doing the dirty work (if he feels appreciated), I think he is cool seemingly being the Robin to DM's Batman even if it is the other way around. I don't think DM is doing enough to understand his perspective, be sympathetic, and adjust.

I love both of these guys, they need to figure it out and connect rather than just "staying together for the kids"... otherwise at the next bump in the road all the issues re-surface.

The other quote from an insider saying it was a 2 out of 10 on the drama scale... Daryl Morey also said there were no issues with CP and Harden before he traded CP for a guy that didn't fit, cost a **** ton of money, and gave up picks to do so. This **** ain't good guys.
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I think Palpatine / Darth Vader is better than the Batman analogy. Darth Vader is the image and the muscle publicly, but it’s really Palpatine with the strength moving things along. Maybe there’s another analogy. Ultimately Darth Vader dies in the process of trying to kill Palpatine, but from all external vantage points gets accolades for being the hero.
 
infection said:
I think Palpatine / Darth Vader is better than the Batman analogy. Darth Vader is the image and the muscle publicly, but it’s really Palpatine with the strength moving things along. Maybe there’s another analogy. Ultimately Darth Vader dies in the process of trying to kill Palpatine, but from all external vantage points gets accolades for being the hero.
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The marriage analogy is more applicable. Feels like Rudy is the stay at home mom keeping **** together and DM is the businessman that brings the kids expensive gifts and seems like the hero all the time. DM needs to take the trash out more and show more affection... Rudy needs to stop being a nag... problem is when one thing gets tripped up it’s starts a downward spiral towards divorce. They need counseling but are only addressing things on the surface level and calling it “good”.
 
I think Mitchell choosing not to talk to the reporters for the article is slightly concerning. Like get over it. Learn how to play the game. It’s your chance now months later to comment intelligently on it all and mend **** publicly. Choosing not to do so for his own self-righteous or selfish reasons isn’t a good indication to me of what’s to come.
 
I hope they figure it out, it would really hurt to see either dude playing in a different jersey. Here are the best outcomes ranked in order...

1- Things go great in Orlando and they click in realizing the partnership is worth working for.
2- Things fail miserably forcing the team to make a big decision but we get something and can move on.
3- Things go meh and they plug along but the tension hurts everyone ... one of them doesn't sign an extension or a less than ideal extension and they move together for a while before either leaving or getting traded.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I hope they figure it out, it would really hurt to see either dude playing in a different jersey. Here are the best outcomes ranked in order...

1- Things go great in Orlando and they click in realizing the partnership is worth working for.
2- Things fail miserably forcing the team to make a big decision but we get something and can move on.
3- Things go meh and they plug along but the tension hurts everyone ... one of them doesn't sign an extension or a less than ideal extension and they move together for a while before either leaving or getting traded.
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4-Down the line, Don continues to say he loves Utah but is non-commital about staying and we roll the dice on him just like we did with Hayward but lose him for nothing.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
It’s not about balls. It’s about truly not knowing and therefore being unable to commit.
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I think if they don’t address the issue DM will become unhappy eventually and request a trade like PG did. I don’t think we roll the dice with Don. He may also be eligible for extensions that Hayward wasn’t because he makes all nba teams or something. I don’t worry about him leaving us for nothing. I worry he wants a 2 or 3 plus one contract instead of a five year deal and that signals to other potential players he is getting out sooner rather than later. Kind of hamstrings the organization.
 
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