Following Potential 2020 draftees

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I just realized... Utah's come up with nothing but duds in the 2nd rd ever since the Millsap pick, which is almost 15 years back...


IDK why we pretend like there's any sort of "This is how they do things in the 2nd rd" type of deal, because if there is some type of way, they'd be smart to change it up --- that **** hasnt paid any dividends..

I think Brantley will stick. The Jazz have been drafting very late in the 2nd round most years, and they also traded away a bunch of 2nd round picks. They've done pretty well picking up UDFAs like Ingles and Royce. It wouldn't surprise me if either or both of Rayjon Tucker and Juwan Morgan stay in the league as well.

Past 2nd-rd picks that hit for the Jazz, aside from Millsap, would include Mo Williams, CJ Miles, Shandon Anderson, Bryon Russell, Issac Austin....and yeah, that's going back a long time.

I'm optimistic about 5 - 7 guys this year who will go late in the 2nd round or go undrafted this year.

 

[homeytennis]

I think one of our bad 2nd round picks was Oliver Hanlan. The guy was just flat out awful. I'm not sure what the scouts saw in him.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I think one of our bad 2nd round picks was Oliver Hanlan. The guy was just flat out awful. I'm not sure what the scouts saw in him.

There was also a PG from UNC, though I don't remember the name. I think it was the same year we drafted Tyrone Wallace. Taking Joel Bolomboy in 2016 wasn't a bad attempt. But the Jazz have traded away at least 3 or 4 2nd-rd picks in the last 5 or so years.

Edit: I looked it up, it was Marcus Paige from UNC. The truth is that the success rate on 2nd rounders really is in the 20% - 30% range.

 

[SCS]

It looks like Paul Reed is taking some of the hitch out of his shot. If he can hit his spot-ups, he becomes a really attractive prospect. If the Jazz want to put a bunch of score-first guys on the floor like Bogey, Clarkson and Mitchell, then it would help to add a versatile defender like Reed.

Achiuwa and Reed are still the ideal options for the Jazz imo. We desperately need the defense, length , athleticism.

I believe in the ability of the Jazz development staff to improve the outside shot of either. It's something that the Jazz have helped several players with.

The fixable issue for Reed is removing the upper body hitch for a more compact stroke.

The fixable issue for Achiuwa is better footwork when he is contested. Achiuwa was actually 93rd percentile on open catch and shoot opportunities. When he's open he squares his feet, he has a good base, and everything looks clean. But he was 1st percentile in guarded catch and shoot. And that's because when he is contested he turns his entire lower body. His feet come close together, he turns one hip toward the defender... it screws up the shot. If you can just get him to shoot the ball the same way as when he's open he should be fine.

I don't think that either will ever be great shooters. But I think the Jazz could turn either into a low 30%-ish shooter... 32, 33... three point shooter on a lower volume. Just good enough where a team couldn't just leave them wide open. And I think they could be solid from midrange in catch and shoot too.

 

[Game6Conley]

I think Brantley will stick. The Jazz have been drafting very late in the 2nd round most years, and they also traded away a bunch of 2nd round picks. They've done pretty well picking up UDFAs like Ingles and Royce. It wouldn't surprise me if either or both of Rayjon Tucker and Juwan Morgan stay in the league as well.

Past 2nd-rd picks that hit for the Jazz, aside from Millsap, would include Mo Williams, CJ Miles, Shandon Anderson, Bryon Russell, Issac Austin....and yeah, that's going back a long time.

I'm optimistic about 5 - 7 guys this year who will go late in the 2nd round or go undrafted this year.

This part in bold is really my point. That **** hasn't been working, do you think thats some valid excuse? cuz I dont... It's not like their hands are forced either, it's clearly by choice..


Also its easy to lump in the UDFA's... ultimately tho UDFA's are free agents... If you just isolate the 2nd rd, it's quite clear Utah has been WASTEFUL... and as we all know small-market teams need to cut out as much waste/fat as they can, on their own volition... when it comes to the 2nd rd it just hasnt been happening..

 

[Hekate]

Also I think there's a case to be made that the best 2nd pick they've had since Millsap is Tyrone Wallace, who they cut in November and never played a game in a Jazz uniform...


Which is obviously far from ideal if true... It's almost like it's a resource they can't seem to harness.

We drafted Neto in the second round.

 

[Game6Conley]

There was also a PG from UNC, though I don't remember the name. I think it was the same year we drafted Tyrone Wallace. Taking Joel Bolomboy in 2016 wasn't a bad attempt. But the Jazz have traded away at least 3 or 4 2nd-rd picks in the last 5 or so years.

Edit: I looked it up, it was Marcus Paige from UNC. The truth is that the success rate on 2nd rounders really is in the 20% - 30% range.

If the success rate is 20-30% in the 2nd rd... Its safe to say Utah hasn't been anywhere close to that since the mid-00's...

 

[Game6Conley]

We drafted Neto in the second round.

Actually overlooked this one.. . Doesn't really change my point tho... The best they've done in the 2nd rd since Sap is pulling a 3rd string PG...



Plus thats from the fated 2013 draft.... So even with Neto being a solid pull...It'd be dumb to conclude Utah's F/O had a solid grasp on the PG's that year.... To me, the all time "I still can't believe they did this ****"/"what if" occured in that draft, when they selected Trey Burke over Dennis Schroder.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Actually overlooked this one.. . Doesn't really change my point tho... The best they've done in the 2nd rd since Sap is pulling a 3rd string PG...

Plus thats from the fated 2013 draft.... So even with Neto being a solid pull...It'd be dumb to conclude Utah's F/O had a solid grasp on the PG's that year.... To me, the all time "I still can't believe they did this ****"/"what if" occured in that draft, when they selected Trey Burke over Dennis Schroder.

I think Justin Zanik may be more inclined to use 2nd-rd picks than Dennis. He showed that last year. Now that the Jazz have multiple max salaries, they need lower cost players to make the rotation. Brantley could be the next Paul Millsap, btw.

Passing on Giannis and Kawhi hurts more than passing on Schroeder.

 

[homeytennis]

There was also a PG from UNC, though I don't remember the name. I think it was the same year we drafted Tyrone Wallace. Taking Joel Bolomboy in 2016 wasn't a bad attempt. But the Jazz have traded away at least 3 or 4 2nd-rd picks in the last 5 or so years.

Edit: I looked it up, it was Marcus Paige from UNC. The truth is that the success rate on 2nd rounders really is in the 20% - 30% range.

The year we drafted Hanlan the next player picked was a guard from Oregon Joseph Young. Yesterday he put up 74 points in the Chinese Basketball Association all star game with 14-15 from the line. I know it is a flier on 2nd rounders but it seems like it's been awhile since we really hit on a player in that round.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

The year we drafted Hanlan the next player picked was a guard from Oregon Joseph Young. Yesterday he put up 74 points in the Chinese Basketball Association all star game with 14-15 from the line. I know it is a flier on 2nd rounders but it seems like it's been awhile since we really hit on a player in that round.

There are a bunch of guys this year who look like they'll hit if we can get a 2RP--Tillie, Nnaji, Nwora, Hughes, Butler, Kispert, Pritchard, Perry, Tre Jones, Mason Jones...

 

[SCS]

Sam Vecenie put out his new mock. He had the Jazz selecting Zeke Nnaji. Judging off his explanation he doesn't seem to have good handle on the team though. He just kinda said the Jazz have no holes so here is Zeke Nnaji lol. The weaknesses are clear. Athleticism, length, defensive versatility at 3/4/5. Basically a better option(s) than Niang and/or Bradley.