Game Thread Aug 03, 2020: Utah Jazz vs Los Angeles Lakers

[DasJazz]

I dont hate Conley personally he just doesn't wow me on the court. He looks like he doesn't really care too much.
Kind of going through the motions. Very smooth laid back dude.

We need power, aggression, and anger. This team is too soft.

and I can't stand Niang and Bradley in the rotation. These guys aren't championship material. They both should be ballin' in europe (and probably will be soon).

We have a beast in Brantley wasting away on the bench. Tucker could add some juice too.

Last time we had power, anger, and aggression at the PG position (DWill), we ran him out of town.

 

[l Abach l]

Last time we had power, anger, and aggression at the PG position (DWill), we ran him out of town.

D Will is so underrated on this board... he was a relentless monster.

 

[LoPo]

Rudy was great last night... AD went at him early and Rudy wasn’t having it. Don’t discount what he did.

Royce was also awesome last night and mike was really good. Our lack of length is shocking against this team. The hung in there admirably

Conley was good last night and O'Neale was everywhere.

I simply do not believe Gobert played well at all. AD and Howard outplayed him. I know he's supposed to protect the paint, but last night was like playoff basketball when we needed Gobert to alter his play to shutdown one player instead of an area. I just thought last night was an average performance by Gobert.

When our team falters with Bradley, I don't think it's always because Gobert is so good which seems to be the pro-Gobert argument. I think it's because Bradley is so raw. Favors is a good NBA player. Not great, not all star and definitely not elite. Well, there is a big difference between Favors and Bradley just like there's a big difference between Favors and Gobert. Last year, we played worse with Favors than Gobert when Gobert went out, but not nearly as badly as this year when we have to go from Gobert to Bradley. The Ed Davis signing really screwed us.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Conley was good last night and O'Neale was everywhere.

I simply do not believe Gobert played well at all. AD and Howard outplayed him. I know he's supposed to protect the paint, but last night was like playoff basketball when we needed Gobert to alter his play to shutdown one player instead of an area. I just thought last night was an average performance by Gobert.

When our team falters with Bradley, I don't think it's always because Gobert is so good which seems to be the pro-Gobert argument. I think it's because Bradley is so raw. Favors is a good NBA player. Not great, not all star and definitely not elite. Well, there is a big difference between Favors and Bradley just like there's a big difference between Favors and Gobert. Last year, we played worse with Favors than Gobert when Gobert went out, but not nearly as badly as this year when we have to go from Gobert to Bradley. The Ed Davis signing really screwed us.

GTFOH... I get it you ain’t his biggest fan... He was great last night. Handled AD 1 on 1 and limited him to mostly jumpers. Also helped us not get lit up even though we were given up like 6 inches at every position.

Be a little more objective.

 

[LoPo]

GTFOH... I get it you ain’t his biggest fan... He was great last night. Handled AD 1 on 1 and limited him to mostly jumpers. Also helped us not get lit up even though we were given up like 6 inches at every position.

Be a little more objective.

I am objective, and I do appreciate Gobert. Last night was not a good game by him.

The Lakers had 58 points in the paint and his man scored 40+. One could argue that Gobert's man is going to get his because Gobert's main job is to protect the paint. Well, didn't protect the paint or guard his man well last night. The worst team in the league at allowing points in the paint is Atlanta at 53.6 ppg. We gave up almost 5 more points than the worst paint protecting team in the league.

Some people need to take their Gobert colored glasses off sometimes.

 

[NAOS]

Some notes:

Mike Conley laid an absolute deuce on something like 7 or 8 possessions (defense and offense). And then was mediocre for more than a dozen others. It kills me how bad this trade has worked out He’s such a poor player on defense this year after showing out last year. I think it’s fair to conclude that there’s a significant Desire Problem.

In a short stint, I believe Morgan proved he deserved all of Niang’s minutes.

Bubble Clarkson is one of the worst players in the league.

Lakers won’t win the title.

 

[NAOS]

Rudy was great last night... AD went at him early and Rudy wasn’t having it. Don’t discount what he did.

Royce was also awesome last night and mike was really good. Our lack of length is shocking against this team. The hung in there admirably

Wtf, dude. Mike was really good? This might be the furthest apart from you I’ve ever been on an analysis of a game. Mike was was Replacement Player. His defense was super trash.

 

[NAOS]

We didn’t just miss a lot of good looks in this game. We missed a lot of them very badly.

Also, we just can’t stop dribble drives. Missing Bojan obviously has nothing to do with this, because he’s below our own poor average in this facet. You don’t win any playoff series when you play like this. Conley is a sieve on-ball.

 

[Jazzmix]

I am objective, and I do appreciate Gobert. Last night was not a good game by him.

The Lakers had 58 points in the paint and his man scored 40+. One could argue that Gobert's man is going to get his because Gobert's main job is to protect the paint. Well, didn't protect the paint or guard his man well last night. The worst team in the league at allowing points in the paint is Atlanta at 53.6 ppg. We gave up almost 5 more points than the worst paint protecting team in the league.

Some people need to take their Gobert colored glasses off sometimes.

C'mon, Lakers often have two elite big man and a decent third at the same time on the floor, it makes his job very hard being given how small we are. Davis shot the 3 well and had plenty of free throws, he didn't dominate Rudy when they were one on one. Also I don't think it's fair to compare paint points allowed on average against ANY team with playing Lakers who always tend to dominate in the paint. I am pretty sure every team allows them to score more from that area than they do on average against others.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Wtf, dude. Mike was really good? This might be the furthest apart from you I’ve ever been on an analysis of a game. Mike was was Replacement Player. His defense was super trash.

He gave up a couple layups on drives but I didn't think he was a big issue on defense. Their guards didn't do a ton against us.

He had an efficient/steady 24/8 and at times when I thought it could get bad he had some timely baskets. The offense was free flowing and I thought he had a lot to do with that. He's too small to be a plus defender at this point in his career. Overall I thought he was a big positive.

 

[homeytennis]

Our bench is so bad. Niang had one rebound and think of all the opportunities he had with Clarkson laying bricks. Free Ed Davis.

 

[LoPo]

C'mon, Lakers often have two elite big man and a decent third at the same time on the floor, it makes his job very hard being given how small we are. Davis shot the 3 well and had plenty of free throws, he didn't dominate Rudy when they were one on one. Also I don't think it's fair to compare paint points allowed on average against ANY team with playing Lakers who always tend to dominate in the paint. I am pretty sure every team allows them to score more from that area than they do on average against others.

I understand all that. Somebody said Rudy played well. He didn't. His job is to be the best defender in the game of basketball. His influence on the game was hardly noticeable so I feel like he had an average game or worse.

This is the whole Gobert debate for me. Yes, he is talented. Yes, I like the guy. No, he's not elite. When we play the truly elite teams and players, he doesn't have the ability to take the game over on either end. Sure, if you gave him Pippen, Bruce Bowen and Kawhi as teammates he would shut down the paint even more, but that's not realistic. He's not a max or super max player in my mind because he can't dominate a game. Great teams and elite players can still isolate him out of the game.