Game Thread August 30, 2020: Nuggets at Jazz - Game 6

[latin jazz]

In terms of coaching, my biggest concern is that it's been 3 games in a row where we have been torched by Murray, and I don't see any adjustment on how to slow him down. Simply, we don't have an answer. Like in game 4, I guess we will have to outscore them.

 

[jom2003]

We ain't the raptors, we aren't rotating fast enough to stop Jokic's passes from being a threat. He doesn't turn the ball over when a man is open. Even if he does 1 or 2 times, it will be dead ball turnovers. Can't help on Jokic, Rudy has to stay on him at all times. Help for Murray has to come from somewhere else but I am becoming more and more resigned to fact that this is who we are and all we are capable of.

to stop Murray we gotta be able to get through the screen and be more active on defending the pick n roll, which is pretty much impossible based on our current personnel.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Jamal Murray, one of the most inefficient scorers in the NBA is 31 for his last 41. That is 75%. Jesus.

That’s the biggest part of the problem... I keep waiting for him to have a 2/9 from three night and it just ain’t happening.

 

[l Abach l]

In terms of coaching, my biggest concern is that it's been 3 games in a row where we have been torched by Murray, and I don't see any adjustment on how to slow him down. Simply, we don't have an answer. Like in game 4, I guess we will have to outscore them.

It's because Snyder is an overrated coach. This is the peak of his iteration of the Utah Jazz. The sooner the Miller family realizes that the better. Look at what happened to the Raptors after they dumped Dwane Casey's *** for Nick Nurse. The Jazz need new blood. We can't risk not trying to make changes for Donny or he'll dip and go elsewhere.

 

[Game6Conley]

SO I went back and watched the 50- point highlight package for Jamal Murray and what really stands out is there's soooooo much damage being done with the stepback j.

The corner 3 he hits over Rudy with 1:11 to go in the 3rd is probably the best display of just how devastating that stepback is, he's fainting at it and it's got Rudy walking on eggshells. Rudy knows thats what he wants to do, he knows thats what he wants to do, but the advantage is all his because he knows where he's going and can time it when rudy's off balance, and rudy's gotta try to react/guess, and thats how it played out. Rudy probably thought he was headed to the basket or for a stepback long 2, he ends up in the corner in 3range with a clean look.

(the step back in question @ 2:31)

Honestly I can't kill the rotations, I think the people in here killing the rotations are being unfair. You cant rotate to a guy who's discarding his man with a step-back in time.


The only real question with the defense is if you send the double, how early is it, do you send it at halfcourt. which QS isn't gonna do, it's a risky play.. IDK...

the idea that faster rotations are going to stop what Murray is doing is false though... The move is to not bite on the step-back, which is very difficult...

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We ain't the raptors, we aren't rotating fast enough to stop Jokic's passes from being a threat. He doesn't turn the ball over when a man is open. Even if he does 1 or 2 times, it will be dead ball turnovers. Can't help on Jokic, Rudy has to stay on him at all times. Help for Murray has to come from somewhere else but I am becoming more and more resigned to fact that this is who we are and all we are capable of.

But if you pre- rotate your Jokic... once Rudy drops... then Murray has to make the decision... if it is Craig or Morris or someone else wide open then so be it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We have to throw different looks at it... I feel like we are a pitcher with a reliable fastball and we are playing a fastball hitting team... and we still don’t throw changeups until there are like 2 minutes left in the game.

Even if they don’t work... that’s okay... you are trying to make them think and maybe hesitate just a little.

It also felt like we put Rudy in the dunkers spot most of the night rather than running him on the high screen... maybe because they were trapping but Jokic had foul trouble and I still want to run **** at him.

Rudy had more trouble with catching and finishing tonight... couple were tough passes but a couple we have to have.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Different series if we had bojan.

People done forgot how good he was.

 

[Game6Conley]

and that my friends is why i say in those draftees threads all the time "the step back j is the #1 most important move in the arsenal for guards"

 

[Game6Conley]

It's because Snyder is an overrated coach. This is the peak of his iteration of the Utah Jazz. The sooner the Miller family realizes that the better. Look at what happened to the Raptors after they dumped Dwane Casey's *** for Nick Nurse. The Jazz need new blood. We can't risk not trying to make changes for Donny or he'll dip and go elsewhere.

I feel like Utah can do a whole lot worse than QS...


Also I dont like the idea of using a series like this to run him outa town... doesnt seem right


With Bojan out how can you truly isolate the head coach as the problem? he's been handed mostly the same tools that couldnt get the job done last year... and they've done a respectable job..

 

[Deleted member 365]

Two questions.

1. A healthy Jazz team last year, with Favors, Rubio, and Crowder, what would this series be?

2. A healthy Bojan, what would this series be?

Maybe 3 questions actually.

3. Are we actually better than last year? I realistically wonder if we actually took a step back by blowing our size and identity? Favors and Gobert would be killing Joker and Millsap inside. And I wonder if a longer Rubio would slow Murray down? Crowder providing that toughness that sometimes we lack.

 

[l Abach l]

Two questions.

1. A healthy Jazz team last year, with Favors, Rubio, and Crowder, what would this series be?

2. A healthy Bojan, what would this series be?

Maybe 3 questions actually.

3. Are we actually better than last year? I realistically wonder if we actually took a step back by blowing our size and identity? Favors and Gobert would be killing Joker and Millsap inside. And I wonder if a longer Rubio would slow Murray down? Crowder providing that toughness that sometimes we lack.

The Rubio experiment didn't work. It was never going to work. How can anyone forget him airballing that 3 last year against houston in the playoffs.

The jazz took a calculated risk in getting Conly and for the most part it backfired. I was screaming for the jazz to go after Brogdon. I was wanting the Jazz to get Grant. The jazz needed to get longer, younger, and more athletic... not extend Ingles, sign an old Bogey, and trade for an old Conley. It made no sense. That roster was never good enough to win a championship anyway. Why not build a younger core together with Donny? I just don't understand this front office.