Right-wing jerks make everything worse.
Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement
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Right-wing jerks make everything worse.
The Thriller
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This seems ominous
Archie Moses
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Especially the ones with paintball guns and bear spray.
Archie Moses
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Video from Historic Capitol shows the moment a man pulled a gun on protesters Saturday
The man who pulled the gun on Black Lives Matter protesters in front of the Historic Capitol Saturday evening will not face charges.
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More violent morons and morons with guns.
Beer
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This seems about as relevant as Jacob Blake sexually assaulting the mother of his children and then robbing her 2 months ago. Jacob Blake and this Kyle Rittenwhateverhisnameis are both sleazy garbage moron humans. Doesn't mean Blake deserved to die or Rittenwhateverhisnameis wasn't acting in self defense.
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The Thriller
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So that Kenosha Sheriff sounds like a good guy. I wonder why cops from this place shoot Blacks without any regard for life?
Comrade in Seattle
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Yes brother. I love it. Keep stirring the pot. We will get what we want soon enough.
The Thriller
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LOL. If this works, what’s stopping another Tim McVeigh from getting off by claiming that his actions were legal because he was a part of a “well regulated militia?” Could Osama Bin Laden make the same claims?
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Didn't see this one yet. Black man shot in LA. Seems weird.
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Stopped the guy for riding his bike against code (?) And then a chase ensued. The guy apparently dropped a gun, and when they saw it on the ground they shot him.
You know how often I see people riding their bikes against "code"? Pretty much all the time. That seems like a weird stop unless something else prompted it.
Protesters gather after LA sheriff's deputies shoot Black man during confrontation
Protesters gathered in South Los Angeles on Monday night after sheriff's deputies shot and killed a Black man who they say had a handgun and was fighting with them. The shooting occurred Monday afternoon after two deputies pulled over a man who was riding a bicycle in violation of vehicle laws...
Stopped the guy for riding his bike against code (?) And then a chase ensued. The guy apparently dropped a gun, and when they saw it on the ground they shot him.
You know how often I see people riding their bikes against "code"? Pretty much all the time. That seems like a weird stop unless something else prompted it.
Beer
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Didn't see this one yet. Black man shot in LA. Seems weird.
Protesters gather after LA sheriff's deputies shoot Black man during confrontation
Protesters gathered in South Los Angeles on Monday night after sheriff's deputies shot and killed a Black man who they say had a handgun and was fighting with them. The shooting occurred Monday afternoon after two deputies pulled over a man who was riding a bicycle in violation of vehicle laws...
Stopped the guy for riding his bike against code (?) And then a chase ensued. The guy apparently dropped a gun, and when they saw it on the ground they shot him.
You know how often I see people riding their bikes against "code"? Pretty much all the time. That seems like a weird stop unless something else prompted it.
Yeah, weird, I wonder if he had a warrant and they recognized him? But just to say a bike code violation is very weird.
idestroyedthetoilet
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You can count on One Brow to condemn the justified shooting of a rapist who was harassing his victim against a protective order, resisting arrest, endangering the lives of 3 innocent children in a vehicle, the police, and everyone around, and lunging into a vehicle for who knows what.
Who cares about the real victims here. Rape happens in nature all the time amirite.
I don't want to live in a police state. If the guy isn't directly threatening the police or anyone else, they shouldn't be shot. If Blake were arrested without being shot (I know, we wouldn't be talking about him) you would hear zero complaints from me.
To be clear, the people who fired the guns endangered the lives of the three kids, not the guy getting into the car.
The police figure out how to avoid shooting people in other European countries and still manage to keep people safe. For that matter, the police in this country can figure how to avoid shooting white people and still keep people safe.
The Thriller
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Didn’t she get the memo? If you don’t want to be arrested, carry an AR15 around and kill some BLM supporters. Duh
Archie Moses
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Man under investigation in fatal shooting of right-wing demonstrator in Portland was outside mayor’s condo night before with daughter
Michael Forest Reinoehl was seen walking around a protest outside Mayor Ted Wheeler's condo with his daughter, who was carrying a baseball bat Friday night. Sources told The Oregonian/OregonLive that police are investigating Reinoehl in connection with the death of Patriot Prayer supporter Aaron...
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Archie Moses
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It's just a couple of blocks, guys.
idestroyedthetoilet
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That's quite the stretch of the imagination.
Dangerous, violent, disorderly, resisting arrest, lunging for something, who knows what threats he made.
Discounting all other relevant factors eh Eric? Far fewer guns? Stronger social support systems decreasing crime? Less stringent jail sentences don't reduce resisting arrest? None of these have anything to do with it, is that what you are saying? Their cops are nicer, plain and simple?
Tell that to the families and friends of white people shot under similar circumstances.
Police Kill Too Many People—White and Black
It’s unclear whether bigotry plays a role
If the police can shoot anyone even when they are not a threat, how much further do we need to go, in your opinion?
So, not that different from you?
I agree those are all factors, as well. European countries also seem to have a different police culture.
With less frequency. We both know anecdotes are not data. We also both know that police pull over, search, and arrest black people disproportionately. Do you really believe that this differential policing suddenly stops when it coming to pulling out weapons or firing weapons?
idestroyedthetoilet
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Agree to disagree. There's no point in disgussing this since you disregard all actions leading up to imminent danger. It used to be a simple concept to not resist arrest and reach fir an unknown weapon or object.
Not even anecdotal yet, but I'll hear you out.
You are being intellectually lazy here. Because a and b, then c must be true in this circumstance.
A. This was not a potentially racially biased stop and frisk. It was a response to a plea for help. If anything, police not responding because it would skew the interaction statistics disproportionately higher would be bigoted.
B. Police do not use deadly force disproportionately against blacks than whites. I'm sure you are as surprised to find this as I was. Seeing events like the Wallmart bbgun kid being murdered make it look wholly untrue, but from the study in the link above, it is not. Here it is again for those who missed it. Pay attention to the economist and his motives going in, I think they are relevant:
Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of Force but Not in Shootings (Published 2016)
Contradicting conventional wisdom: When it comes to the most lethal form of force, a study finds no racial bias.
It was also a simple concept that the police claim to be responsible with how they use deadly force. Still you claimed that Blake was "endangering the lives of 3 innocent children in a vehicle, the police, and everyone around" not because Blake was careless with a weapon, but because the police might injure/kill other people while trying to apprehend Blake. If we don't hold the police to the standard of having to avoid hurting innocent people, I am asking again how much further it would have to go to be a police state?
For what it's worth, Wikipedia has:
Well, so far we don't have restrictions on mobility. All of our communications are subject to police and federal monitoring, and some political control is in the hands of the NSA/CIA/FBI who are in charge of this data.
That's a long comment with a lot of research to put things together.
Every circumstance is unique, and I don't what would have happened that day if the same officers were called out and a white man had acted like Blake.
So, going back to the question I actually asked you. Do you really believe that this differential policing suddenly stops when it coming to pulling out weapons or firing weapons?
B. Police do not use deadly force disproportionately against blacks than whites. I'm sure you are as surprised to find this as I was. Seeing events like the Wallmart bbgun kid being murdered make it look wholly untrue, but from the study in the link above, it is not. Here it is again for those who missed it. Pay attention to the economist and his motives going in, I think they are relevant:
Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of Force but Not in Shootings (Published 2016)
Contradicting conventional wisdom: When it comes to the most lethal form of force, a study finds no racial bias.www.nytimes.com
I've read the Fryer paper before. It's relying solely on descriptions by the police to judge how evenhanded the police use of weapons is in lethal events, and even then it acknowledges that there are serious problems with their data set. Do you think that might be part of the reason their data has vastly different results for lethal force versus all other kinds of force? That doesn't even get into the motivations an officer might have for justifying lethal force as opposed to non-lethal force.