Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement


Red

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The whole Portland thing is a mess on so many levels. You have the Antifa rioting and the Trump supporters getting off on trying to Mr. Restore Order and shooting people with paintball guns, mace and beating the **** out of the lil sobs.

He's certainly not the first antifa member to shoot someone. I can think of plenty off the top of my head including one in Utah. That said, looks like he was sprayed with mace first and if that’s the case, just like the Kenosha shooter, according to the law, will probably get off.

I hate guns.

@Zombie better be quick to condemn me far right cause I shared a twitter post by some random Asian guy who you think is "far right.' You can apparently only forgive one "offense" lmao, Mr. RADICAL left Fascist.

Hey, I didn’t have to post that info on killings by the far right vs. by Antifa. I’ve no reason to go up your butt sideways. I’ve made the point in the past that the Far Right has been the more significant threat in the US, for awhile now, I don’t have to beat a dead horse every time you, or anyone else, rages on Antifa. You’re a good man, Archie, that’s all that matters...
 


One Brow

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It wasn't a fair question to ask/put words into my mouth. Youre trying to turn your claim that police don't shoot white people into me saying there is no racial disparity in policing.

I apologize for asking the question so clumsily. I'm pretty sure we both believe there is differential policing at most levels of contact, and I never intended to imply otherwise.

I am only asking about whether you believe differential policing is true at all levels of contact before the police draw weapons and/or fire weapons, but that this effect loses potency when it comes to actually drawing weapons or firing weapons. That's what I understand to be the position that you are arguing.

Personally, I find that unlikely. If police see black people, particularly black men, as a larger threat and need more force used when they are searching, arresting, or restraining people, I don't see those biases disappearing suddenly when they draw/fire guns.
 

One Brow

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Is antifa even an identifiable affiliation or is that just some boogeyman label that gets attached to "certain types?"

At the very least, it's self-identifying. Some people who have destroyed property have claimed to be antifa. I don't know if that applies to the Provo shooter.

Others might not identify as antifa specifically, but protest and makes plans for protesting with those who do. I don't have a problem with labeling those people as antifa, or at least, antifa-adjacent.
 

Red

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Has evidence emerged that the person in Provo was antifa?

Is antifa even an identifiable affiliation or is that just some boogeyman label that gets attached to "certain types?"
This would be the first time lethal force was used by a self identified Antifa supporter. I don’t believe there is any umbrella organization know as Antifa....

Edit: sorry, just noticed you mentioned Provo, Utah. I had assumed you were talking about the Portland shooting. As Archie mentioned, maybe self identified Antifa sympathizers have been involved in shootings. I don’t know one way or the other. The Portland shooting would be the first fatal shooting by a self identified Antifa sympathizer.

 
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The Thriller

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Lol at Archie "I'm not alt right" Moses coming in hot with a Ian Cheong tweet. C'mon man.

This video looks like the shooter may have been acting in self defense.


I’m glad that others are seeing him for what he is. People are becoming wise to his schtick. Has he ever erred in posting a doctored clip in support of BLM? It’s funny that in ever one of these type of threads, he’s one of the only posters who’ll consistently post completely biased and doctored videos attacking BLM. Videos of “journalists” who I’ve never even heard of and whose bias is pretty obvious even in the video. A simple google search reveals how awful the “journalists” are and usually there are a number of well-known and credible sources who’ve refuted the nonsense.

Once another poster sets him straight, he’ll admit that the video was biased but still claim that “both sides” are equally at fault for whatever the original incident was. And then he’ll claim that he’s merely “wanting to find the truth.” Yet, he’ll never post anything in support of BLM. Gee, I wonder why?

And this same cycle repeats every few weeks.

My favorite tactic of his is when he “just asks questions.” Similar to Tucker Carlson, he doesn’t want to admit that he’s alt right. So he’ll “just ask questions” like, “I’m not a racist, but don’t you think that ANTIFA and BLM are controlled by a bunch of shadowy Jewish bankers who want to bring socialism to America? I’m not a racist but is it the craziest idea that Globalist commies are using African Americans to push socialism? I’m not a racist, but did you see how dumb AOC looked here? I don’t have anything against blacks but can we really blame the cop here? The black had dreadlocks and sleeping in a drive thru is so annoying, hey look now the blacks have burned down the fast food restaurant see how dumb the Blacks are? I’m not alt right! I’m definitely not alt right! Check our ben Shapiro, he’s so thought provoking!”

It’s just funny to see this repeat over and over and over again. And now he’ll never let you forget it.
 

idestroyedthetoilet

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I apologize for asking the question so clumsily. I'm pretty sure we both believe there is differential policing at most levels of contact, and I never intended to imply otherwise.

I am only asking about whether you believe differential policing is true at all levels of contact before the police draw weapons and/or fire weapons, but that this effect loses potency when it comes to actually drawing weapons or firing weapons. That's what I understand to be the position that you are arguing.

Personally, I find that unlikely. If police see black people, particularly black men, as a larger threat and need more force used when they are searching, arresting, or restraining people, I don't see those biases disappearing suddenly when they draw/fire guns.

I do think it possible and even likely for most officers in most scenarios. Let me start over:
You can count on Archie Moses to justify the shooting of black people. He'll condemn it generally, but manages to downplay just about every individual case.


Although some of us may question a lot of the hype over individual events, that does not mean we downplay the overall significance of the effects that policing disparity has on black citizens and communities. We are in the middle of BLM's historic movement. Although some of the people held up as martyrs may come across to me as distasteful, I understand it is not about just one individual circumstance, but rather each circumstance is added to a tally and used as a rallying point for the bigger picture movement.

Please stop treating those who question the reaction to individual instances as alt right and deplorable, and mischaracterizing in ways we all know is not fair.
 

Gameface

1-20-21
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Hmmm. I don’t know what went down but this seems disturbing

I have an idea what went down.

A kid with a murder fantasy took his AR-15 to a situation he was pretty sure he would eventually feel threatened in. He was right. When that magical moment happened for him he was able to kill two other human beings and hit a third.

Many ejaculations he will have remembering his heroic accomplishment.
 

One Brow

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Please stop treating those who question the reaction to individual instances as alt right and deplorable, and mischaracterizing in ways we all know is not fair.

I don't think Archie Moses, himself, is alt-right. Were I to venture an opinion, I would say he defaults to respecting authority, keeping order, and the assumption the police acted appropriately until shown otherwise. Since their are serious motivational ties between the police and the ait-righters, that leads to his frequent quoting of their the alt-righter opinions and sources without researching the people offering the opinions.

As for you, I think of you as a contrarian. It can be a valuable service or a tiresome nuisance.
 

Archie Moses

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Is there somewhere I can access that evidence?

His Facebook page. The guy constantly participated and shared posts from a group that was previously openly called Antifa but changed that due to Antifa being banned and being labeled a terrorist organization or something like that.
 

Archie Moses

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Is there somewhere I can access that evidence?

I could give you links with screenshots of his Facebook page and all, but someone like Zombie will say I'm somehow affiliated with them and yadayada. Just Google his name and antifa.
Surprised it didn't get much run after he did it, especially in Utah.
 
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Archie Moses

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Being shot in the back does not rule out self defense.
There's literally video of it and Thriller is acting like the kid walked up to him and shot him in the back. At the same time, he's like the Portland killer got maced so self defense.
 

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