Perhaps you'd care to explain which groups of Charlottesville protesters, in the march with people yelling "blood and sand" and "Jews will not replace us", were the very fine people, and what they were there to protest that was a very fine cause?
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Perhaps you'd care to explain which groups of Charlottesville protesters, in the march with people yelling "blood and sand" and "Jews will not replace us", were the very fine people, and what they were there to protest that was a very fine cause?
In your little world, of course, "Trump" is a four-letter word, and Trumpers are of course undesirable sub humans, and your idea of true humanity requires political purification rites, at least in public speech. Well, let's just say, requires a professed sort of humanity that's intolerant of actual thinking processes working in coherence with the party line, but which of course is blind to deviances within your own ranks. After all, nobody on the left can even keep track of what is or is not a lie, but everything goes as long as it is intolerant of nonconformists.
Let's see you stop your damn whining for a day. Or stop lying for five minutes once a week.
And hell, let's see someone in here do a fact-check on a Trump speech that isn't a stretched line of half-truths.
Don't even try to claim you are unaware of about 30% of the people there being actually totally against that kind of political rhetoric, carrying signs perhaps quite peacefully and respectfully simply declaring support for preserving or removing historical monuments relevant to people and events considered valuable reminders, or harbors of ill will, of past events or issues. These folks didn't even have a leader, and nobody paid them to be there. And the media ignored them entirely. You have to know, though, because they were there in every video. Bystanders, curious onlookers by the score, but a hellava lot of marginally informed people who didn't realize the political strategies being employed.
I am of the opinion that the organizers of the right, as well as the left, in the events in May but mosre clearly in the later events, are paid organizers on the political principles of Machiavelli and Marxist political traineesor agitators. These tactics require, as a goal, the intent to draw in many people on uninformed sympthies or antipathies to the selected issues.
By this calculation it may be said that most people who were there were good people expressing a lower level of rhetorical discussion, who simply either felt that history needed to be preserved, or that objectionable history be removed.
These are the people Trump referenced as good Americans.
Valuable reminders of white supremacy, erected for the purpose or reminding black people that their place was below that of white people. Very "fine", indeed.
No way. No one in America's slavery past ever even considered 'white supremacy" a thing. They were people who in large numbers came here as indentured servants, apprentices, or who had no opportunity in england/etc and put their all on the line just to get here.
Today's ranchers throughout the West, and in California's agricultural districts, are not "White Supremacists" today, either. They are practical people trying to make something of the resources they have, who need help.
The economic climate created by slavers offloading blacks for sale meant that many people who just wanted to survive economically, had to also buy the cheap labor, just as today's open border politics puts many Americans today in a disadvantaged position of having to use the illegal/cheap labor.
None of this excuses anyone from any kind of oppressive conduct, nor does it mean runaway slaves or workers who find another way to survive are bad people who need to be rounded up and shipped out. We need more people. Our whole economic system is profoundly growth-dependent. If we ever have a declining population we will have a Depression.
Almost every society ever observed with an understanding eye has had privileged and underprivileged classes, more often distinguished by ethnic or cultural or racial lines of "reason", mostly based on who a person is. Today's "liberals" or democrats, or socialists worldwide are no better. Everything is connections and privilege based on political favor or disfavor. China is probably as bad as it has ever been, and the Democratic Party of the USA is in fact, rhetorical offerings aside, deeply influenced by China. Enough to make the whole Russia collusion thing with Trump a seriously laughable ploy.
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You should realize that most black slaves shipped to America were captivated and sold by other black folks, who saw it as an economic convenience for themselves. Just as here in Utah, the Ute Indians had a long-standing practice of capturing Shoshone or Piute root diggers, very peaceable and isolation-loving encampments along basin lakes and rivers all over western Utah and Nevada, and then sold them off in Albuquerque to the Spanish hefes.
For black slaves offloaded into the Colonies or states before 1820, the reason they were slaves brought here was not racial. It was exploitative of inadequately defended villagers. The racial component was not ever legally set out as "blacks will be slaves", even in the United States. There were black slave owners, and Cherokee slave owners. The legal definition of a slave was a person who was sold and paid for legally, per the inexcusable laws of the time.
Brigham Young ended the Ute slave trading by threatening holy war against the Utes, and made friends with the Piutes like Kanosh, and settled some of the natives on good farming lands and taught them the farmjing methods.
You are like many political hucksters, dishonest in the extreme, for unabashedly running out political operations trying to inflame racial issues and differences regardless of the facts, regardless of the real history.
The Constitutional American tradition is the standout exception in all the world and across all human history, for even professing, but also for actually achieving a significant degree of equal protection under the law, and equal rights for all distinctive sorts of persons. Socialist revolutionaries will destroy all that, and like Xi Jin Peng, will set human rights back four millennia, to before the first principles of Mosaic Law required strangers to have rights protected by the resident community.
Because what they care about is not the people, but their power over the people.
Just about every paragraph written near that time in the USA on black people says the opposite.
I do. I don't see how that invalidates the prevalence of white supremacy in the US.
The reasons they were slaves instead of indentured servants is racial.
How many white slaves were there in 1800, or 1810? We couldn't buy any from the European nations that were fighting wars with each other? We didn't even try?
I'm not so dishonest I'm claiming slavery was race-blind or not based on notions of racial superiority.
Avery
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LOL - what a dope.
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Trump claims without evidence that Biden controlled by people in 'the dark shadows'
The Fox News host interviewing the president said it sounded like he was promoting a conspiracy theory.
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Or projection because of how trump has to be nice to Russia.
Red
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I don’t think so. For example, Trump referred to his supporters who deliberately drove to where the protestors were gathered in Portland, and who used paint balls and bear spray against those people, as “GREAT PATRIOTS”. He would never repudiate them, they are part of his base. He can’t afford to.
And these were the people in Charlottesville whom he was referring to when saying there were “fine people” on both sides. These people seen in this Vice report from Charlottesville were the “fine people” Trump referred to. He never comes right out and says “Neo Nazis are fine people”. He does not have to. It’s always quite easy to know how he feels about people like those seen in this Vice report, and he always finds ways to reassure them he is on their side. Always.
When he said “there are fine people on both sides”, it was these people who would have smiled and exchanged high fives all around, upon hearing that. And I’m sure he knew that. He knew that, and it’s that truth that goes right over the head of people like pjf. The important question is “who took comfort from those remarks?” The Neo Nazis did! That is the point you guys continue to deny.
Trump is always careful not to completely repudiate followers like this. QAnon, for example, is the most recent group that he can’t completely repudiate, because he knows that people who believe that he, Donald Trump, is going to break up a ring of Democrat-led pedophiles and baby eating cannibals are part of his base. Imagine that. Being unable to repudiate such a belief, because you want their votes. That is some intelligent base, lol. Instead, he said “Is there something wrong with that?” Well, Donald, now that you ask....Most rational human beings would call such a belief “nuts”, putting it mildly, but we’re not talking about a rational human being. We’re talking about the leading proponent of conspiracism-thought alive today.
Some of Trump’s “fine people” at Charlottesville:
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Red
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In future courses of American history, that clip should be used to illustrate just how off the wall bonkers the 45th President was.
Tracing the roots of this insanity:
Thugs on a plane? Trump's bizarre yarn echoes viral Facebook rumor — and Rudy Giuliani's rants - Salon.com
Trump's latest conspiracy theory seems to echo Facebook "antifa panic" — and Rudy Giuliani's BLM paranoia
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