Most Glaring Roster Holes

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm not sure Favors is considered starter quality seeing as his body can't hold up as a starter.

Fair point for sure. I think NO would bring him back at more than BAE though.

I think the minimum that Favs takes is like 3/20M or he gets a one year 10M from someone. If he went 2/7.5M you take that all damn day of course. That's Tony Bradley money. If his market completely dried up and he did 2/10M with a player option on second year I'd be fairly shocked.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

There are a fair amount of veteran bigs on the market and I wonder if there is some value in that market. Guys I'm curious to see what they get:

- Marc Gasol
- Serge Ibaka
- Favors
- Baynes
- Tristan Thompson

then there are some young vets and some interesting guys on the rise:

- Nerlen Noel
- Montrez
- Wood of course.

Will be curious to see the contract values for all of these.

Maybe we could fill that need on the cheap.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Fair point for sure. I think NO would bring him back at more than BAE though.

I think the minimum that Favs takes is like 3/20M or he gets a one year 10M from someone. If he went 2/7.5M you take that all damn day of course. That's Tony Bradley money. If his market completely dried up and he did 2/10M with a player option on second year I'd be fairly shocked.

Tony Bradley only makes Tony Bradley money cuz he got drafted. He may very well not be in the NBA after his contract is up. The market is completely dried up in general, I can only imagine it will be even drier for true centers.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

II dont watch enough of Derrick Jones Jr to say for sure, but I like the idea of adding him.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

II dont watch enough of Derrick Jones Jr to say for sure, but I like the idea of adding him.

And he is young still. Watched him the other day and his shot looked solid... then I saw his %s. He might be the next Jerami Grant?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Tony Bradley only makes Tony Bradley money cuz he got drafted. He may very well not be in the NBA after his contract is up. The market is completely dried up in general, I can only imagine it will be even drier for true centers.

I know... was using it as a reference. I was critical of management picking up his option and my main argument was "who will pay TB more than 3.5M next year?"

He has solid numbers so I wonder if we could dump him to a team like Detroit for nothing and they would value his restricted rights.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And he is young still. Watched him the other day and his shot looked solid... then I saw his %s. He might be the next Jerami Grant?

I think he's a much better man defender than Grant. I dont know if he will ever shoot it well, but he's long/athletic/defense.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think he's a much better man defender than Grant. I dont know if he will ever shoot it well, but he's long/athletic/defense.

He seems bigger than his listed height. I'd have guessed 6'8"... listed at 6'6"

I think there is some reason for hope on his shot. Shoots it okay from the line and the shot form seems fine... like there isn't something that looks super busted about it. If he could get it to 35%ish then he's really interesting.

Have heard Tony Jones and Locke kick his name around a bit... he's certainly someone DL and crew should consider. Miami wants to keep space open so any multiyear deal likely gets him if its over $6M annually.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He seems bigger than his listed height. I'd have guessed 6'8"... listed at 6'6"

I think there is some reason for hope on his shot. Shoots it okay from the line and the shot form seems fine... like there isn't something that looks super busted about it. If he could get it to 35%ish then he's really interesting.

Have heard Tony Jones and Locke kick his name around a bit... he's certainly someone DL and crew should consider. Miami wants to keep space open so any multiyear deal likely gets him if its over $6M annually.

His shot is kind of broken. It's not completely broken, but it's not pretty. He shot 29% on wide open 3's. Maybe it gets better one day, but I wouldn't bank on it. I just want a guy who can play D. Not sure what he would cost.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

this will be an unpopular target here but a guy who's defensive splits are intriguing to me are Kyle Anderson. He ain't pretty but if Memphis wanted a salary dump and would take Ed and TB back for him I think he's kinda interesting. He's long, plays good defense, and he can pass. The rest of his game is tough to watch. He has shot well from the corner 3 in previous seasons so maybe he can get some of that magic back.

Another target would be Aminu with the Ed/TB expiring. With Isaac out they likely need Aminu so may not be willing to dump him. He had knee issues... not sure what his health will be like.

 

[416Klawzz]

this will be an unpopular target here but a guy who's defensive splits are intriguing to me are Kyle Anderson. He ain't pretty but if Memphis wanted a salary dump and would take Ed and TB back for him I think he's kinda interesting. He's long, plays good defense, and he can pass. The rest of his game is tough to watch. He has shot well from the corner 3 in previous seasons so maybe he can get some of that magic back.

Another target would be Aminu with the Ed/TB expiring. With Isaac out they likely need Aminu so may not be willing to dump him. He had knee issues... not sure what his health will be like.

I think Memphis likes screwing us

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think Memphis likes screwing us

They owe us a good deal now... right? Maybe we just shouldn't do business with them for a couple years.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I'm mixed on the Favs thing... if Quin continues to run one main defensive scheme then having a backup like Favs is important. I think it'd be better to allocate resource elsewhere and try some different stuff on the second unit. I think Morgan and Brantley could be good in switching schemes.

I'm almost sure we do the safe, familiar thing and get Favs. I'm okay with it if we work a sign and trade and throw Ed, TB, and a second back to NO. If we lose JC and use the MLE on Favs that's like $50M in cap dedicated to Centers.

Centers that can’t make a play or shoot threes. I also kinda hate how inflexible and reliant on a rim-protector we are on defense. I think it gives rope for the perimeter defense to perpetually slip and develop bad habits. Makes us susceptible to adjustments in the playoffs and we just lost a 3-1 lead because of it.

I would rather see what we have with our diamonds in the rough and run a switch scheme when Rudy’s not on the floor.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Centers that can’t make a play or shoot threes. I also kinda hate how inflexible and reliant on a rim-protector we are on defense. I think it gives rope for the perimeter defense to perpetually slip and develop bad habits. Makes us susceptible to adjustments in the playoffs and we just lost a 3-1 lead because of it.

I would rather see what we have with our diamonds in the rough and run a switch scheme when Rudy’s not on the floor.

The bolded portion is a big problem imo.

I also think the rules and skill level of the league are trending against players like Rudy. I wouldn't be actively shopping him if I was DL (unless the extension talks go poorly), but I also wouldn't hang up the phone if other teams were calling on him.

 

[NAOS]

II dont watch enough of Derrick Jones Jr to say for sure, but I like the idea of adding him.

Don’t think he’d be a good fit here. He works well within all the gravity created by Robinson, Herro, and Adebayo. Our gravity profile is just different.

 

[NAOS]

He seems bigger than his listed height. I'd have guessed 6'8"... listed at 6'6"

I think there is some reason for hope on his shot. Shoots it okay from the line and the shot form seems fine... like there isn't something that looks super busted about it. If he could get it to 35%ish then he's really interesting.

Have heard Tony Jones and Locke kick his name around a bit... he's certainly someone DL and crew should consider. Miami wants to keep space open so any multiyear deal likely gets him if its over $6M annually.

He’s a very wiry 6’ 6”. He won’t help us guard the powerwings

 

[NAOS]

this will be an unpopular target here but a guy who's defensive splits are intriguing to me are Kyle Anderson. He ain't pretty but if Memphis wanted a salary dump and would take Ed and TB back for him I think he's kinda interesting. He's long, plays good defense, and he can pass. The rest of his game is tough to watch. He has shot well from the corner 3 in previous seasons so maybe he can get some of that magic back.

Another target would be Aminu with the Ed/TB expiring. With Isaac out they likely need Aminu so may not be willing to dump him. He had knee issues... not sure what his health will be like.

Kyle has maddening stretches where you’re convinced he’s unfit for the NBA. Very puzzling player.

 

[jom2003]

this will be an unpopular target here but a guy who's defensive splits are intriguing to me are Kyle Anderson. He ain't pretty but if Memphis wanted a salary dump and would take Ed and TB back for him I think he's kinda interesting. He's long, plays good defense, and he can pass. The rest of his game is tough to watch. He has shot well from the corner 3 in previous seasons so maybe he can get some of that magic back.

Another target would be Aminu with the Ed/TB expiring. With Isaac out they likely need Aminu so may not be willing to dump him. He had knee issues... not sure what his health will be like.

Just imagine a lineup of Niang, Bojan, Ingles, Anderson and Bradley... MEH

 

[LoPo]

Yeah I'm not sure BAE is a convo starter tbh. I think he could get one year and $10M from NO worst case scenario. He might get closer to a Zubac type deal. I would not give him more than 3 years. He's very clearly better than many of the guys on that list... so not all good comps.

But that is what I'm kind of saying. He's starter quality... so you pay a premium... when others are getting by with paying less. It's why I'd want some variance in the type of big we got... so at least it'd add another dimension.

I don't think he is starter quality and most of that list of comparables making less than $10 per year are better options in my opinion.

Green, Kleber, Theiss, Aminu, Looney, Zubac, etc.

If we offer him more than BAE, he eats our MLE. I think we have more pressing issues than backup C.

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[Archie Moses]

Conley/Mudiay
Mitchell/Ingles
Bogdanovich/Oni
O’Neale/Niang/Brantley
Gobert/Bradley
(I’ve left out some other names of course).

When I look at this roster, some things are made plainly clear:

1) our PF rotation is,,,,horrendous.
2) we need to re-sign Jordan Clarkson
3) we need a very strong defensive 1/2/3, as opposed to more of a defensive forward.
There’s been lots of commotion for another “3 and D” wing— personally I think we have this in Royce and we already have a big time scorer in Bojan. Our money should be going into guards and PFs. Bradley is fine, but an idea may be to cut him loose and sign Favors.

I root for dudes like Niang and I have a bias for dudes that make themselves out of nothing when in reality they just came out of no where like, Millsap, Matthews and Royce O'Neale (apologizes if I spelled his name wrong) but Niang isn't one of them. He's a YMCA shooter that everyone thinks would kill it in the NBA, but is a liability. He's like a tall Eddie House. Put him in when you need a three, but I wouldn't even trust an unwarmed Niang before a warmed up ****** 3 point shooter.

Do you guys remember in game 1 vs Denver when Niang missed a wide open three that was offensive rebounded and kicked out to him and then he took another 3 (mildly contested) which he missed. That was rebounded by the Jazz and he cranked an immediate third missed 3 like he was firing like he was Kobe, PG, *insert any other star's name here.*
Thurl Bailey is all like, "if you're a Jazz fan you're not upset with that."

The Jazz's military-esque philosophy is what's made them consistently good, but has held them back too.

I hope this makes sense to some. I'm sure some will disagree, and who knows, I may be wrong.