Election Count Issues

[babe]

Rudy gave the game away a bit yesterday in his court appearance where he mentioned the nascent goal was to take it to the SC.

Time is not on their side as judges regardless of their political ideology aren't fond of 11th hour cases. By the time some of the funded recounts are done, they'll be even less time before results are certified.

I'd question who is more interested in delay tactics here. PA court stalling to run out the clock for the SC appeal or make it look moot. "Rudy" was just stating the obvious. Whatever the stacked PA court does. Sorta rubbing the spur sores on the PA SC haunches reminding them how it feels to be rebuffed by the SC. The issue is state legislatures having the constitutional jurisdiction to make voting laws for the state, not the courts or governor.

PA didn't follow the SC order. The PA vote could be ruled illegally run.

 

[Gameface]

Anyone who cares to can search for "Hunter Biden emails" and see that it has been reported on by pretty much everybody. The consensus is that they don't know if they're real or not. So that's where it's at. Prove they are real and it'll be reported as such.

 

[fishonjazz]

Did you notice that the major media completely ignored the Hunter Biden emails? They have a goals and a narrative and they want the public to buy them, truth be damned. Anyone who still thinks the mainstream media is serving the public or telling the truth is a fool.

The Hunter Biden emails were real. That much is undisputed. Given the way the media handled that issue and how well it worked out for them, nobody should be the slightest bit surprised at the way they are handling the election fraud story. I do not know whether enough fraud to swing the election occurred, but I do know that there was fraud. Quite a bit of it. It's pretty pathetic that the vast majority of our media does not care.

And you also know that the fraud was only done in favor of Biden right? Only the democrats committed fraud right? Only investigate the states that trump lost for voter fraud. Seems totally legit. Just like the emails from hunter are so damning but all the russia and ukraine stuff was a nothing burger right? Despite indictments and convictions and confessions of guilt. Oh and the lack of indictments and convictions in relation to hunter. Oh and of course hillarys emails! Remember all the indictments and convictions from that fiasco!

You certainly believe the same type of things consistently. At least there that. If it is bad for the republicans then its fake news. If its bad for democrats then its all true!
I got you man.

 

[Red]

Proof that if you repeat a lie often enough, it will work. Will probably poison the body politic for quite awhile.

And more evidence that conspiracism is now the default thinking mode of many Americans. How can that possibly bode well? Rationality is of considerable value. It’s being trashed. It’s the age of conspiracy theories, and it’s going to cause a lot of damage.

The line from Timothy Snyder in my signature says it all where this **** is concerned. It’s not one sided, though. Trump might be selling it, but Trumpsters are buying what they want to hear.

Half of Republicans say Biden won because of a 'rigged' election: Reuters/Ipsos poll

About half of all Republicans believe President Donald Trump "rightfully won" the U.S. election but that it was stolen from him by widespread voter fraud that favored Democratic President-elect Joe Biden, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll.

www.reuters.com

 

[Ron Mexico]

You're very gullible.

 

[babe]

Her claims were all so vague that there's nothing there to address.

Sure, there is no named culprit or published specific facts. That's for the courts. The public gets the general concept, and most Americans actually, including a lot of Biden supporters, see the concerning reports or have seen irregularities themselves. It was not a clean win. Media spin smells here.

 

[babe]

The OP video link contains a number of fairly specific allegations.

(1) positive assertion of affidavits relating to families receiving kickback payola in return for state officials signing the computer system/software package deals. It sounded like "numerous" such affidavits. Such affidavits relate to criminal charges for state election officials.

(2) software package can be used in computer voting machines other than Dominion.

(3) software permits "drag and dump" movements of specific candidate votes to a file which can then be deleted.

These specific events will not show up in a simple "recount", even a hand count with fresh tabulation. Most states like AZ have a fairly broad recount validation range where they will not change the first count unless the second count is off by 1% or more....... more than the difference in the candidates which is about 0.2% in three states. The bgought and paid for commissioner of elections will simply assert the recount validates within acceptable limits.

To prove the machine systematically changed some percentage of the votes you need canvassing and audit procedures. YHou need to be able to trace how a specific vote was counted initially, and what the machine did to it after that.

(3) Software permits "hacking" or other access from off site, even in foreign countries by anyone who knows how to do it, with the possible altering of results.

I don't know about you, you most people would prefer to steal money(or votes) from some country where there's little chance of being discovered or prosecuted. that's where the really smart fraudsters locate themselves.

The question here is whether such actions leave a trail or can be found out after they've happened.

The ditsy reporter gal wanted to know if Powell had a Dominion machine and a copy of the software package in her possession. Powell deferred the question, saying she's just not going to say something like that on national TV. It looked to me like she expected the question, and there was no expression on her face I could read as "Damn I wish I did".

So the basic idea here is that if this kind of vote changing is attempted, you should be moderate enough in your method to keep it more or less invisible, or at least small enough to be credible.

 

[babe]

Powell also stated that they had proof consisting of 2016 California data. A number of republican house candidates dies the slow death of days of counting after the election with eroding leads and finally a loss. That's always when the counting stops, ya know.

As I have noted elsewhere in this forum, California boasted of a 76% turnout in 2016, even though some surveys showed around 25% of registered voters were either non-existent, had never lived at the claim address, or had moved prior to the election, or had not shown up at all to vote in over 6 years. This time CA only claimed 67% turnout. On the other hand, PA reported 70% turnout in 2016 and nearly 74% turnout this year.

The machine part of the fraud involves ballots actually gathered into the bins and run through the machine. There is no way fake ballots can be removed from that count. A machine could match registration signatures to ballot signatures, or even registration addresses to precinct locations, and could identify probable duplicate voters. This year, one man in LA cast 6000 votes for Biden. I think he's going to jail for about three months.....

(4) Powell also asserted that the machines could be instructed not to match signatures where that is required by state law. Could be instructed to only count the top of the ticket (ignore downballot issues). In fact, ever element of legal vote can be manipulated from outside on command if there is someone interested and knowledgeable and in possession of critical equipment/information required for doing that.

 

[babe]

Proof that if you repeat a lie often enough, it will work. Will probably poison the body politic for quite awhile.

And more evidence that conspiracism is now the default thinking mode of many Americans. How can that possibly bode well? Rationality is of considerable value. It’s being trashed. It’s the age of conspiracy theories, and it’s going to cause a lot of damage.

The line from Timothy Snyder in my signature says it all where this **** is concerned. It’s not one sided, though. Trump might be selling it, but Trumpsters are buying what they want to hear.

Half of Republicans say Biden won because of a 'rigged' election: Reuters/Ipsos poll

About half of all Republicans believe President Donald Trump "rightfully won" the U.S. election but that it was stolen from him by widespread voter fraud that favored Democratic President-elect Joe Biden, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll.

www.reuters.com

I've seen various polls, most of them showing more R distrust than D, but it's like 70/30, pretty large regardless of party.

Put it another way, a lot of people just won't vote. Most of them distrust politics or don't care at all, and have no vested loyalty to defend in asserting "fair" elections. Likely doubters with little force of conviction. Who the hell cares.

Might be the same 30% of Dems that didn't vote even this time. And the same 30% of Rs that didn't vote either.

Committed visionary wonks on both sides will always vote, and will always blame the other side for cheating if they lose, like the Resistance wonks did in 2016. That's 20% of the voters on both sides.

The difference is independents and Dems with traditional American values, and Republican moderates pretty much the same.

Oh, well, maybe there's a bunch of unhinged perps with no rhyme or reason, and who can say what they do. No reason at all.

I think the fixed belief in "conspiracy theory" people is just an insult to anyone who still has a functioning cerebral cortex. All you need to be an agenda wonk or a true blue believer is a cerebellum. And all it takes to convince a "Cerebellar intellect" that a "Conspiracy Theorist" is out there in the trailer trash town is one professor with a dope on his rope.

 

[fishonjazz]

I've seen various polls, most of them showing more R distrust than D, but it's like 70/30, pretty large regardless of party.

Put it another way, a lot of people just won't vote. Most of them distrust politics or don't care at all, and have no vested loyalty to defend in asserting "fair" elections. Likely doubters with little force of conviction. Who the hell cares.

Might be the same 30% of Dems that didn't vote even this time. And the same 30% of Rs that didn't vote either.

Committed visionary wonks on both sides will always vote, and will always blame the other side for cheating if they lose, like the Resistance wonks did in 2016. That's 20% of the voters on both sides.

The difference is independents and Dems with traditional American values, and Republican moderates pretty much the same.

Oh, well, maybe there's a bunch of unhinged perps with no rhyme or reason, and who can say what they do. No reason at all.

I think the fixed belief in "conspiracy theory" people is just an insult to anyone who still has a functioning cerebral cortex. All you need to be an agenda wonk or a true blue believer is a cerebellum. And all it takes to convince a "Cerebellar intellect" that a "Conspiracy Theorist" is out there in the trailer trash town is one professor with a dope on his rope.

Fwiw over 65% of registered voters voted (highest percentage since 1908)
So your statement that 30% of democrats and 30% of Republicans didn't vote doesn't add up.

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[Deleted member 365]

And you also know that the fraud was only done in favor of Biden right? Only the democrats committed fraud right? Only investigate the states that trump lost for voter fraud. Seems totally legit. Just like the emails from hunter are so damning but all the russia and ukraine stuff was a nothing burger right? Despite indictments and convictions and confessions of guilt. Oh and the lack of indictments and convictions in relation to hunter. Oh and of course hillarys emails! Remember all the indictments and convictions from that fiasco!

You certainly believe the same type of things consistently. At least there that. If it is bad for the republicans then its fake news. If its bad for democrats then its all true!
I got you man.

Yep.

Plus, Why would the Democrats lose House seats and fail at recapturing the Senate? If you’re gonna commit fraud, why not retake the White House, retake the Senate, and take more House seats? I mean seriously, why not take Susan Collins out? Or Lindsey Graham? Why give them another term? Especially in Graham’s case, where the Democrat had hundreds of millions in donations and yet failed to win. I see Ben mcadams lost here in Utah. If the Dems committted fraud why would they lose seats? The old powerful Democratic Party with the mighty Joe Biden couldn’t have found a few hundred more votes to keep McAdams in congress? These conspiracies make zero sense.

This reminds me of Babe’s nonsense 4 years ago when it was Hillary’s “grand plan” to **** herself over with Comey reopening an investigation on her just so she could purposely lose the White House and then prosecute Trump for years after with the Russia investigation. Anyone with half a brain would realize that such a conspiracy was stupid. If she really didn’t want trump as president she would’ve just won the damn white house in the first place.

 

[Deleted member 365]

It should be noted that Sidney Powell represented michael flynn. Yes, thee michael flynn. Here’s a video of him recently:



definitely normal. And Sidney powell represents this guy.