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2020 Free Agency Thread

IMO - the Jazz #1 and #2 and #3 targets are:

0. Jordan Clarkson - that's a no brainer.
1. Christian Wood
2. Justin Holiday
3. Raul Neto or Matthew Dellavadova
 
LoPo said:
If we could trade Conley for Bledsoe, I'd probably do that. We'd have to take more though. Maybe Bledsoe and Hill. Still seems very complicated.
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If they let Favors go I'm not sure sure we do need to take more.

Anywho, they can't trade Bledsoe with anyone else because he just got traded.
 
Eminence said:
If they let Favors go I'm not sure sure we do need to take more.

Anywho, they can't trade Bledsoe with anyone else because he just got traded.
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If it's Bledsoe for Conley straight up, then do it. We then go add Jerami Grant in free agency. No brainer really.
 
If things somehow get narrowed into a discussion of Clarkson or Wood, for more or less equal money, I sure as **** hope our organization knows the obvious choice. It’s kind of weird how things seem like they’ve sorta headed in that direction.
 
LoPo said:
I need for a cap expert to chime in. From what I understand, we are $18 million under the luxury.
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I just gave you the numbers; you're misinformed. Per Capulator:

Conley: $34,502,130
Gobert: $26,525,281
Bogdanovic: $17,850,000
Ingles: $10,863,637
O'Neale: $8,500,000
Mitchell: $5,195,501
Azubuike (#27): $2,119,320
Hughes (minimum): $898,310

Total: $106,454,179

LT: $132,627,000
Space under LT: $26,172,821
 
GVC said:
I just gave you the numbers; you're misinformed. Per Capulator:

Conley: $34,502,130
Gobert: $26,525,281
Bogdanovic: $17,850,000
Ingles: $10,863,637
O'Neale: $8,500,000
Mitchell: $5,195,501
Azubuike (#27): $2,119,320
Hughes (minimum): $898,310

Total: $106,454,179

LT: $132,627,000
Space under LT: $26,172,821
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Gotta factor in the minimum cap holds for each roster slot (same $ amount as Hughes I believe)
 
GVC said:
No you don't. Those spots will ultimately be filled by players.
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So you can say that we have $26 to allocate for 6 players while staying under the luxury. It's not like we can go out and give Clarkson his estimated $10+, use the full MLE and stay under the luxury unless we are filling out the roster with a bunch of 2nd round contract types.
 
LoPo said:
So you can say that we have $26 to allocate for 6 players while staying under the luxury. It's not like we can go out and give Clarkson his estimated $10+, use the full MLE and stay under the luxury unless we are filling out the roster with a bunch of 2nd round contract types.
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Outside of re-signing JC and using the MLE and BAE, the Jazz are only permitted to sign minimum players, just like every other team over the salary cap. If JC signs a contract starting at ~$10 mil, the Jazz have plenty of room under the LT to use the full MLE. If they're willing to creep into the LT a little, they have plenty of room to use the BAE and stay below the apron.

This is exactly what unloading TB and Davis bought the Jazz. They were in no danger of going over the LT with those two if they didn't use the MLE.

As I already said...
 
GVC said:
No you don't. Those spots will ultimately be filled by players.
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What a non-statement, yes, we are required by the CBA to fill another 5-6 roster slots. We only have the minimum available for them outside of the exceptions. It doesn't matter who those guys are, it's stupid to not include their salaries in cap calculations, it's not like they don't count against the tax.
 
Here is how i am looking at Free agency for the Jazz

Roster right now with Guaranteed contracts (as I see it)

PG - Conley,
SG - Mitchell, O'Neale
SF - Bogey, Ingles
PF -
C - Gobert, Azubuike

Non guaranteed if I am correct

PG - NWG
SG - Tucker
SF - Oni, Hughes
PF - Niang
C - Morgan

I understand the Bogey can play the 4 and O'neale played some also

I see the biggest glaring holes at PF and PG. The defense is also a key element

PG - I think overpaying for Jevon Carter is the best option for a backup PG . I am talking about the full BAE. This might not be enough because he is restricted maybe half the MLE but he is exactly what the Jazz need and I think he would be a full-time PG in the right situation.
If this doesn't work I would Go after Harrison, Jackson, Neto, and then Dunn (I hate his 3pt%)

Get rid of NWG and watch for players waived by teams.

PF - is a conundrum to me. there are so many directions. I would love to get Millsap back as a backup but closer to the vet min because he is injured a lot. Portis is nice with the Nasty but not a great defender. JyMichael green makes a lot of sense if he can be had for the right price. Christian Wood would be a pipe dream but the Jazz don't have the assets or the money to offer him and I do not think the MLE is enough.

SF - I do not think the MLe is enough for Jerami Grant but I could move Bogey to 4 and start him at the 3. A dark horse back up that I wonder if the Jazz could fix or develop is Josh Jackson.
 
Eminence said:
What a non-statement, yes, we are required by the CBA to fill another 5-6 roster slots. We only have the minimum available for them outside of the exceptions. It doesn't matter who those guys are, it's stupid to not include their salaries in cap calculations, it's not like they don't count against the tax.
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The point is to show how much money the jazz have to fill the roster, so it makes no sense to include roster holds. The Jazz have $26 million under the LT to sign 6 or 7 players.
 
GVC said:
The point is to show how much money the jazz have to fill the roster, so it makes no sense to include roster holds. The Jazz have $26 million under the LT to sign 6 or 7 players.
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When you’re talking about actual salary cap space, yes, it does. Why would you include the minimum salary for the players to fill out the roster in the open space we have. We have to fill out the roster it’s not a choice so that is not open space.
 
With 8 guaranteed contacts and say 4 minimum contacts at $898,310 that would put us at 22.6M cap space.

9.3M MLE
3.6M BAE

If we used both of those that would leave 9.7M for Clarkson per year which I highly doubt would happen.

So we’re most likely looking at Clarkson at probably 12M a year would be my guess which leaves 10.6M to divide between two players.

Favors at 6M and someone like Shaq at 4.6M.

If I am wrong with any of this please let me know as I would like to learn if I’m wrong.
 
GVC said:
The point is to show how much money the jazz have to fill the roster, so it makes no sense to include roster holds. The Jazz have $26 million under the LT to sign 6 or 7 players.
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Actually by NBA rules you HAVE to include minimum cap holds for untaken roster spots up until roster spot 12(included). Also... the MLE AFAIK is also added to our salary cap until it's used or renounced.

But enough with technicalities. Something that worries me is Tony Jones' participation on a Sam Vecenie podcast prior to the draft. Tony was one of the Jazz beat writers that actually got Udoka's pick right so... he might have some insider info. But back to his podcast with Vecenie - there he said Clarkson is Jazz' no. 1 priority in the off-season and floated a number between 15 and 20M PER YEAR for his contract. Now is this a number he's hearing from Jazz FO/Clarkson agent? Or is this his personal opinion on what we should expect? I don't know but it absolutely makes sense in light of the Jazz giving up 3 2nd rounders to clear space. In essence we will have the MLE+ about 15-18M to resign Clarkson. To me it looks like he might be right and we might indeed be on the verge of overpaying Clarkson for the foreseeable future.
 
stitches said:
Actually by NBA rules you HAVE to include minimum cap holds for untaken roster spots up until roster spot 12(included). Also... the MLE AFAIK is also added to our salary cap until it's used or renounced.

But enough with technicalities. Something that worries me is Tony Jones' participation on a Sam Vecenie podcast prior to the draft. Tony was one of the Jazz beat writers that actually got Udoka's pick right so... he might have some insider info. But back to his podcast with Vecenie - there he said Clarkson is Jazz' no. 1 priority in the off-season and floated a number between 15 and 20M PER YEAR for his contract. Now is this a number he's hearing from Jazz FO/Clarkson agent? Or is this his personal opinion on what we should expect? I don't know but it absolutely makes sense in light of the Jazz giving up 3 2nd rounders to clear space. In essence we will have the MLE+ about 15-18M to resign Clarkson. To me it looks like he might be right and we might indeed be on the verge of overpaying Clarkson for the foreseeable future.
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I am hesitant to give him 12M a year but 15M-20M. Not no but **** no. I would rather use that amount on a different player.
 
stitches said:
Something that worries me is Tony Jones' participation on a Sam Vecenie podcast prior to the draft. Tony was one of the Jazz beat writers that actually got Udoka's pick right so... he might have some insider info. But back to his podcast with Vecenie - there he said Clarkson is Jazz' no. 1 priority in the off-season and floated a number between 15 and 20M PER YEAR for his contract. Now is this a number he's hearing from Jazz FO/Clarkson agent? Or is this his personal opinion on what we should expect? I don't know but it absolutely makes sense in light of the Jazz giving up 3 2nd rounders to clear space. In essence we will have the MLE+ about 15-18M to resign Clarkson. To me it looks like he might be right and we might indeed be on the verge of overpaying Clarkson for the foreseeable future.
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I will take to the streets if they sign Clarkson for that. That is insane.
 
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