Locke opinion discussion

[KqWIN]

Gobert, Mitchell, Ingles, and O'Neale...that's what I would consider to be the core of this team and it's all around the margins. Fact is, those moves alone have guaranteed more success than most FO's are able to achieve. People do tend to throw that in the can and not acknowledge it as much as they should. If they were a fan of a team who has been bad for a decade, they would recognize that achievement and not take it for granted.

As fans, we will spend more time complaining about something simple like drafting Bradley or Udoka instead of acknowledging the killer trades made for Gobert and Mitchell. Comparing the actual impact of these moves to how much complaining/credit we give is hilarious. Then we'll get into these rabbit holes where the FO is terrible at this or that because they didn't decide to do exactly what we would have done. If they don't sign the FA we like out of the bargain bin, they are terrible even though their process got them O'Neale and Ingles.

The FO has definitely made some terrible moves and are objectively terrible in some areas. The Conley trade will go down as one of the worst in a long time and the initial Hayward negotiation was awful. There have been other poor moves around the margin, but those two moves in particular cost this team a real shot at a championship. But winning a championship is hard. This franchise has never won a championship and neither has half the league. We play in arguably the worst market in the league, and we haven't had owners who are enthusiastic about spending. Winning a championship cannot be the standard.

Quite honestly, I think the coaching has been just as bad if not worse than the FO in the last couple of seasons. The Jazz are still a very good team, but you cannot convince me that Quin has gotten the most out of this roster.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Our front office is competent. They're just a bit conservative in their decision making so as to operate within the constraints of being a small market that has had a difficult time attracting and retaining free agents. They generally make good, rational decisions in drafting and roster construction, but they rarely swing for the fence when it comes to seeking high-ceiling talent.

They could have gone after Christian Wood, for example, and made whatever roster moves were necessary if they reached an agreement with him. However, they went with the staid and proven strategy of re-acquiring Derrick Favors. This is the type of thinking that results in the Jazz consistently ending up as a 4th or 5th seed, rather than a legit contender in the west.

See if we don't end up the 4th seed again, this time behind both LA teams and either Portland or Denver.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

Well, I'm more on the topic of some of our media always talking down to us as fans.

Our front office seems to always lose on transactions they are making example giving up seconds to move players for money. Not grabbing Jaden McDaniels. Even if Udokoka was their main target I think they could have bought a second or traded one of the three players we moved for cash to get him.

All that being said Mitchell and Gobert are homeruns. I doubt they knew then what we see now about those two but props.

Also, another thought why were they pumping Bradley so much throughout the season and off season. Just seems like weird tactics. Or even giving Tucker a run to later move him for nothing. Perplexing...

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[KqWIN]

Our front office is competent. They're just a bit conservative in their decision making so as to operate within the constraints of being a small market that has had a difficult time attracting and retaining free agents. They generally make good, rational decisions in drafting and roster construction, but they rarely swing for the fence when it comes to seeking high-ceiling talent.

They could have gone after Christian Wood, for example, and made whatever roster moves were necessary if they reached an agreement with him. However, they went with the staid and proven strategy of re-acquiring Derrick Favors. This is the type of thinking that results in the Jazz consistently ending up as a 4th or 5th seed, rather than a legit contender in the west.

See if we don't end up the 4th seed again, this time behind both LA teams and either Portland or Denver.

I don't think they're necessarily conservative and I wouldn't say their biggest mistakes come from being conservative. Last summer, they were not conservative at all. They overhauled the roster...it was just mostly a failure because they picked the wrong guys. That's just poor evaluation. That's what prevented the Jazz from bumping up a tier...they pushed all their chips to the middle of the table and got Mike Conley out of it.

Chistian Wood signed for significantly more than the MLE btw...we could not have signed him. There's no path to giving him close to the contract that he got.

 

[infection]

Well, I'm more on the topic of some of our media always talking down to us as fans.

This is something I've found particularly annoying, and largely because of the inconsistency. I get that we can be ungrateful and whatnot (like any fan base can). But the talking down usually comes from the fact of "lol, they the experts and you the stupids." While I understand the sentiment that fans should have more appreciation for what the organization has done here, I think it warrants looking a little into the mirror on this situation, too: the organization, and even the media types, should have a modicum of gratitude regarding the fact that this fan base, despite its flaws, has been as awesome as it has been, has supported this team in this market, made this venture profitable, and has continued to attend games and support this team through thick and thin. The high-horse stuff from the top down is a little off-putting when there's a generalized failure to acknowledge that it's us peasants who keep the lights on. Respect isn't a one-way street that's supposed to flow from the bottom up. I've always said that the Millers sign the checks, but the fans pay the salaries.

 

[oneye]

Locke is really bias, I still enjoy listening to his show every day. The Knicks are not a bar to compare yourself to, they are the floor lol. Being better than the Knicks or Kings is not hard. The Jazz FO is solid but not at the top. Some of what they’ve done this offseason is just not great.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

This is something I've found particularly annoying, and largely because of the inconsistency. I get that we can be ungrateful and whatnot (like any fan base can). But the talking down usually comes from the fact of "lol, they the experts and you the stupids." While I understand the sentiment that fans should have more appreciation for what the organization has done here, I think it warrants looking a little into the mirror on this situation, too: the organization, and even the media types, should have a modicum of gratitude regarding the fact that this fan base, despite its flaws, has been as awesome as it has been, has supported this team in this market, made this venture profitable, and has continued to attend games and support this team through thick and thin. The high-horse stuff from the top down is a little off-putting when there's a generalized failure to acknowledge that it's us peasants who keep the lights on. Respect isn't a one-way street that's supposed to flow from the bottom up. I've always said that the Millers sign the checks, but the fans pay the salaries.

Absolutely, plus what is wrong about having a different opinion than always being fully brain washer. As many of you remember I could not stand Gordon Hayward at the peak of Hayward's success. I'm not like that with Mitchell. I do have some questions on Rudy but overall I like him on the team. (Just don't want them to pay him the max) But, although unpopular Hayward leaving was great if not the franchise would have still held him as top dog and Mitchell a real top dog IMO would have never blossomed. All that being said the media was all over Hayward until he left and like soldiers they then made an about face. I just get sick of the media being an arm of the FO. Let's hear them be skeptical at times. Don't just talk us down as fans that we have no clue how good we have it. Discuss with us without treating us like imbeciles.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

This is something I've found particularly annoying, and largely because of the inconsistency. I get that we can be ungrateful and whatnot (like any fan base can). But the talking down usually comes from the fact of "lol, they the experts and you the stupids." While I understand the sentiment that fans should have more appreciation for what the organization has done here, I think it warrants looking a little into the mirror on this situation, too: the organization, and even the media types, should have a modicum of gratitude regarding the fact that this fan base, despite its flaws, has been as awesome as it has been, has supported this team in this market, made this venture profitable, and has continued to attend games and support this team through thick and thin. The high-horse stuff from the top down is a little off-putting when there's a generalized failure to acknowledge that it's us peasants who keep the lights on. Respect isn't a one-way street that's supposed to flow from the bottom up. I've always said that the Millers sign the checks, but the fans pay the salaries.

Its especially dumb for Locke to be condescending because he doesn't understand the cap, trade rules, etc. nearly as well as some of the guys here... and so when it comes to the business cap management side he really shouldn't talk.

 

[infection]

Its especially dumb for Locke to be condescending because he doesn't understand the cap, trade rules, etc. nearly as well as some of the guys here... and so when it comes to the business cap management side he really shouldn't talk.

This is a common problem when enterprises become so large (and when there's a monopoly) that those in the organization are out of touch with the consumer base. None of this stuff flies at all in small businesses (and not even just mom and pop stuff, basically anything that isn't a gigantic corporation) where you are less insulated from poor PR management.

 

[LoPo]

I think Front Offices, including ours, get credit sometimes for making a selection, when really, much of that success is on the player. The FO didn't trade up 25 spots because they knew how amazing Rudy would be. Our FO didn't trade into the top 5 because they knew Don would be a superstar. Sure we moved for those guys, but it's not like our FO was so confident in the deal that the leveraged real value for them.

Our FO did a good job picking these guys, but the players deserve the credit. Coaching deserves credit too. I don't give our FO a passing grade for simply drafting Don and Rudy. Don and Rudy are awesome because who they are and how they work.

I get upset when a FO spoils cap space after getting fortunate to have guys like Rudy and Don. Our FO wasted over $11 million last year on Ed, Green and TB. That's tragic to a team that is one or two players away. Then consider what was given up to get Conley.

 

[infection]

This also reminds me of a situation when I was in college. I was living with roommates in the Branbury. We had just moved in within about a month or so. They had absolutely terrible management. I was going to the office with a complaint about something that needed to be resolved that I now forget (it was a legitimate complaint). One of my roommates accompanied me as he had some complaints. I had expressed whatever my complaint was and then he also went in on a number of things, including how there was still no TV in our apartment as had been promised online. His complaint wasn't as big of an issue as mine was, and is really more of the spoiled annoying kind (and it was kind of embarrassing me and undermining the seriousness of my complaint), but there was someone's parent there who was listening to this and said to the employee "I think people should just be grateful," to which the employee said "Exactly! Exactly!"

From a superficial perspective, this scenario has a clear good guy and bad guy. He looks like a whiney, overprivileged 20-something (and he was) and the older woman represents some kind of life perspective. However, as stupid as his complaint was (and I wish I remembered what mine was), it was us who were there as customers paying them money based on what they presented as being the deal we were agreeing into and it was them not fulfilling their end of the deal when we had already paid the money they wanted in exchange for those services. The fact that there needs to be some level of gratitude on the party's part who is receiving money for services they are not providing is completely lost. This is backwards. The apartments advertising something included in a package to lure you to give them their money, then don't provide this, and suggest one should just be grateful. How about being grateful for the cash you receive when you're not even fulfilling the other end of the contract?

So yes, we're annoying. Yes, we're privileged. But never forget which direction the money is flowing in this relationship. Don't assume one is simply entitled to it. Sports are irrational. It's completely irrational that so many thousands of people can make a living off of this sport. It's crazy that people put this much money into it. But it's that same irrationality that keeps this enterprise going, and it's that same irrationality that is literally the hand that feeds.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

This is a common problem when enterprises become so large (and when there's a monopoly) that those in the organization are out of touch with the consumer base. None of this stuff flies at all in small businesses (and not even just mom and pop stuff, basically anything that isn't a gigantic corporation) where you are less insulated from poor PR management.

True, but the weird thing is that the FO seems a bit more humble then the local media. Basically if our media was less stroking the ego of players and FO while denigrating fans it would be a much more enjoyable season to follow.

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