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SalmonHobo said:
What's he proven? He appeared to be right behind Brady and Manning in the elite qb's of the league about five years ago but since that horrific injury in the playoff game vs. Pittsburgh, he's been average and makes a ton of terrible decisions.
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He's on the Bungles dood... Brady and Manning are on the Patsies and Colts. Big Difference.
 
SalmonHobo said:
What's he proven? He appeared to be right behind Brady and Manning in the elite qb's of the league about five years ago but since that horrific injury in the playoff game vs. Pittsburgh, he's been average and makes a ton of terrible decisions.
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What Cope said. Who would you rather have as your starter? Campbell or Palmer?
 
Who would've thought the Carson Palmer/QB situation for Cincinnati would work out in their favor? First they hit on the QB they drafted (and not that high, I might add), and then they get two firsts for a guy that was certainly never going to see the field for them ever again? ****ing amazing.

It's too bad John Sloanfeldocalypse will be here shortly to use all caps, pull out his color wheel, end every sentence with a random amount of exclamation points, and just generally clown up this discussion.
 
That said, this doesn't look like a horrible deal for Oakland right now. Palmer isn't perfect, but he SHOULD be the best QB they've had in a long *** time and might make the Raiders pretty damn good.

Or he's ****ing done. It'll definitely be interesting to see.
 
SalmonHobo said:
Well right now, the Colts are the frontrunners as they're the only 0-6 team. You and the Rams are 0-5. There are also five other teams with just one win right now. The good thing for Miami is you have no wins, and you're in a division where all three other teams will be fighting it out for the playoffs, thus giving you a hell of a game when you do play them. The Colts and Rams can't say as much. Those two divisions are weaker, especially the NFC West so the likelihood that those teams pick up a win or two seems greater. I can't speak intelligently about any out of division games though.
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I'll be rooting hard against Indy this year because I ****ing hate the Dolphins.
 
Cope said:
Garrard has to have back surgery... thus the reason he is sitting at home.

Quite a few teams wanted Palmer but the owner wouldn't budge on trading him until the Raiders made them an offer they couldn't/wouldn't refuse.
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He is not sitting at home because he needed back surgery.

And who wanted Palmer? Or should I say who, currently, was willing to trade even one first rounder for him let alone two? I don't believe for a second that the Dolphins, Colts, or any other organization would have traded one first rounder this year (especially considering Luck's out there) or next for him.
 
I think it's a win/win for both teams. Raiders did give up quite a bit for Palmer, but honestly they are young and loaded at all the skilled positions, so while losing potentially 2 first rounders looks bad, it really isn't that bad for Oakland. They get a proven veteran QB that can manage the game, and that can throw the deep ball. The Bengals hit a massive home run here. At worst they get another 1st in 2012 and a 2nd in 2013 for a player they don't need. They can basically stock pile more skilled players around Dalton over the next two seasons. Their defense is already a playoff caliber defense.
 
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