Game Thread Feb 19, 2021 8:00PM MT: Jazz at Clippers

[The Thriller]

Jazz need to bring in someone better in O'neal's spot. I like him but trading him, Niang, Azubuike and maybe picks for someone better is in order.

Agreed.

 

[infection]

We don’t need a trade. We just need to all hold hands and pray for an OPJ buyout.

 

[LogGrad98]

I like Bogey but I think he isn't enough, our young guys can help but Niang lacks also, we need more

We knew this before the draft. We knew we needed a wing defender. Our team D is solid but we will struggle against bigger more athletic teams especially with big athletic wings. But we didn't do anything to remedy this. We drafted a poor-man's Gobert, if we're lucky.

Now that said, we are at 20-2 over our last 22 games. We've battled and fight and, frankly, damn near won this one when we really didn't play very well and they were sharp and on. I think we are still the best team in the league. And I think we have the best shot we've had in decades of winning it all. And also frankly, if we had not been in a 3 pt shooting funk, even making just 2 more 3s and we win this.

I mean damn, yes we have weaknesses and it means we won't sweep the playoffs. But I think we have better than even odds against anyone in a 7-game series.

FEAR THE HYDRA!!








(After it wakes back up, it needs a nap)

 

[The Thriller]

We don’t need a trade. We just need to all hold hands and pray for an OPJ buyout.

Is trevor ariza’s corpse still around? What about James Posey? Cuz a guy like that would be perfect right now

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Jebus the Royce Haters are back. Please tell me how he could have been better. He was solid. The second offensive rebound sucked on that play but Kawhi might be the strongest wing in the ****ing league. Leonard made tough shots and had to work. One more body to throw out there would be great. We might have the guy on the roster already but Quin ain’t ever gonna bench Niang.

 

[LogGrad98]

Royce did his best. but he's only 6'4 and the jazz needs a legit forward who can secure those defensive boards behind rudy when he left the paint.

No we need to crash the boards, as a team, and we just didn't do that.

 

[jom2003]

Jazz need to bring in someone better in O'neal's spot. I like him but trading him, Niang, Azubuike and maybe picks for someone better is in order.

that mcdaniels kid is showing some legit 3D/rim protecting potential in minny. wonder what it would take to get him

 

[LogGrad98]

Jebus the Royce Haters are back. Please tell me how he could have been better. He was solid. The second offensive rebound sucked on that play but Kawhi might be the strongest wing in the ****ing league. Leonard made tough shots and had to work. One more body to throw out there would be great. We might have the guy on the roster already but Quin ain’t ever gonna bench Niang.

Duh, he needs to be 4 inches taller. Damn QS not getting his players to be taller! ************.

 

[jom2003]

No we need to crash the boards, as a team, and we just didn't do that.

because we as a team are simply outmuscled and out-hustled by a team more physical and bigger than us. me as a 5'8/160lb can jump as high as i possibly can against a guy 6ft/200lb and guess who's gonna end up with the rebound? that's how i feel about guys like Royce/bojan/ingles trying to get us a rebound when rudy isn't there.

 

[fishonjazz]

Jebus the Royce Haters are back. Please tell me how he could have been better. He was solid. The second offensive rebound sucked on that play but Kawhi might be the strongest wing in the ****ing league. Leonard made tough shots and had to work. One more body to throw out there would be great. We might have the guy on the roster already but Quin ain’t ever gonna bench Niang.

Zero points isn't a good amount. So to answer your question of how he could have been better..... Score 1 point
And fwiw I did say I like Royce. There is a lot to like about his game. But zero points in 37 minutes is the definitely the part of Royce "buckets" oneals game that I like the least.
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[infection]

Is trevor ariza’s corpse still around? What about James Posey? Cuz a guy like that would be perfect right now

I believe he’s with OKC (sitting out). Should likely get bought out (nobody’s trading for him). Here was my take on it a couple days ago:

But one guy I’d also consider a revisit on is Ariza. I wouldn’t say I’m ready to buy, but I’m curious. You could say I’m buy-curious. I know the consensus is that the dude is washed, and I know you were more familiar with him being unmotivated in Sacramento. But he seemed to be okay in Portland. I remember TJ would always be cryptic about another “wing” the Jazz were going to sign if they got Mirotic, and nobody really fit the bill. Perhaps him, I don’t know. But I think playing unmotivated in Sacramento and not playing in OKC is probably a huge red flag for the FO in terms of who they bring in to the organization. But based purely off skill, I think him being washed isn’t as big of a deal. The guys we’d be picking up someone like him for would be the bigger perimeter guys where we need some length, and could perhaps sacrifice some lateral quickness in the event that he’s lost some. Think the Joe Ingles approach. Ingles can be a smart defender, despite physical limitations, and if Ariza can just play a few minutes of smart defense on the likes of Kawhi, PG, LeBron, etc.

 

[LogGrad98]

because we as a team are simply outmuscled and out-hustled by a team more physical and bigger than us. me as a 5'8/160lb can jump as high as i possibly can against a guy 6ft/200lb and guess who's gonna end up with the rebound? that's how i feel about guys like Royce/bojan/ingles trying to get us a rebound when rudy isn't there.

Oversimplifying it. Rodman was not the best rebounder because he was the tallest guy. How did Westbrook at 6'4", maybe, average nearly 10 per? Rebounding is 90% hustle. It's a mindset. Perform the basics and outwork the other guy. How do you think Royce increased his rebounding this year to career numbers for him? All while he is almost always going to against guys taller than him. We have been out-rebounding almost everyone almost every game and it isn't just Gobert. It's a team effort spearheaded by individual hustle.

We didn't show that hustle tonight, we didn't crash the boards, so we didn't get the boards when we needed to.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Duh, he needs to be 4 inches taller. Damn QS not getting his players to be taller! ************.

I gots news for y’all... he could be taller and Kawhi will still get his fade away off.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Zero points isn't a good amount. So to answer your question of how he could have been better..... Score 1 point
And fwiw I did say I like Royce. There is a lot to like about his game. But zero points in 37 minutes is the definitely the part of Royce "buckets" oneals game that I like the least.
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Sure but he’s dependent on other guys setting him up... just like Rudy. We have enough creators... he will have nights like this on offense but it just means his guy wasn’t leaving him to rotate. We didn’t move the ball tonight... when we don’t move the ball he won’t get shots.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Y'all, the Clippers are a GREAT team when they are at full strength and focused. Jazz could've played better, but I'm proud of the Jazz and y'all can suck it.

Jazz couldn't hit ****, the Clippers have hellacious defensive talent, and the Jazz had a game to the last second. A couple of frustrating given up offensive rebounds and the Jazz maybe win this. On the road. Against the biggest threat to knock-off the Lakers.

Like, let's have a little perspective about how much the Jazz have been fighting above their weight, and they also haven't had anything resembling crunch time in a minute. They'll be better for this.

That being said, there's a reason there's been a consensus about bringing in a bigger perimeter defender. Cuz we need it. I don't think there's a move the Jazz can make except on the buyout market, so hopefully something shakes loose.

 

[jom2003]

Oversimplifying it. Rodman was not the best rebounder because he was the tallest guy. How did Westbrook at 6'4", maybe, average nearly 10 per? Rebounding is 90% hustle. It's a mindset. Perform the basics and outwork the other guy. How do you think Royce increased his rebounding this year to career numbers for him? All while he is almost always going to against guys taller than him. We have been out-rebounding almost everyone almost every game and it isn't just Gobert. It's a team effort spearheaded by individual hustle.

We didn't show that hustle tonight, we didn't crash the boards, so we didn't get the boards when we needed to.

See, Rodman is an underrated leaper with giant hands, which allow him to hustle with guys bigger than him. that's why he's a hall of famer because noone can do what he does. so is Barkley. Their body strength, quickness, hands, leaping more than made up for their lack of size.

simply because those all time greats/hall of famers pulled it off, don't just automatically assume that guys like niang, bojan, royce can do it too.

hustle is not just a mental thing, it also requires enormous amount of physicality.

 

[infection]

All we need is Dennis Rodman with Kyle Korver’s shot.

 

[LogGrad98]

See, Rodman is an underrated leaper with giant hands, which allow him to hustle with guys bigger than him. that's why he's a hall of famer because noone can do what he does. so is Barkley. Their body strength, quickness, hands, leaping more than made up for their lack of size.

simply because those all time greats/hall of famers pulled it off, don't just automatically assume that guys like niang, bojan, royce can do it too.

hustle is not just a mental thing, it also requires enormous amount of physicality.

So how do you explain the fact that we are the top rebounding team in the league? Sorry but you're just wrong. Yes equal effort, the taller guy has a much better shot at getting the rebound. But there are plenty of tall guys that are crappy rebounders. Sounds like you never played organized ball.

 

[Alpy]

None of us want to be defeated, folks. But this was a good game for us. We fought to the end. We have shown what a great team we are. We have a few weaknesses and we need to focus on them.

1-) We have a hard time against teams that play five perimeter players. This became very clear at the end of the game today. We were not effective against the Batum-PG-Kawhi-PatBev-Marcus Morris five. Rudy has to go out against fives like this and contest the shots. For a team that is used to Rudy's presence in the paint, this is a difficult thing to adapt to.

2-) Again, playing against fives like this, we have a problem with rebounds, which is very expected. Royce always defends the opponent's best perimeter player. When Rudy defends the threat of shooting from the 3-point line, it is very difficult to get those long rebounds from the three pointers. Royce has to be close to his man, Donovan is 6'1, Conley is 6'1, Bogey is a bad rebounder and Rudy is a human being he cannot be in 3 places at the same time. So who will get those rebounds?

3-) We experienced a problem that we saw in the Philadelphia game today. We are struggling against teams with two dynamic wings. While Royce defends one, the other is always comfortably attacking and sometimes Royce has a bad day (which is very normal). Simmons and Tobias Harris played well against us, despite Embiid's absence in that game. We could have lost that game if JC didn't go crazy. That's the disadvantage of having one good outside defender. In the days when Royce can't slow his man, we really having hard time defensively. We couldn't do anything against Murray in last year's Denver series.

The solution to all these problems is a wing that is at least 6'7 long, good defender, has lateral quickness, can get rebounds, and can hit the corner three. I know this is really hard to find. Even if we find it, we do not have any cap space. (Do not mention buyout, there is no player in buyout that fits this description) Maybe we can trade. Since we will not give up our main rotation of 8 players (Don, Rudy, Joe, Bogey, Royce, Mike, JC, Favors), there is a problem that arises that the salaries of the players we will give up are very low. This is a huge problem for trade and we don't have any assets, maybe we can give up Udoka. I'd give so much to have someone like Robert Covington right now.

Anyway guys we are okay, that was an educative loss. Go JAZZ!!!



Sorry if I made grammatical mistakes, English is my second language.

 

[Stars Fan]

Y'all, the Clippers are a GREAT team when they are at full strength and focused. Jazz could've played better, but I'm proud of the Jazz and y'all can suck it.

Jazz couldn't hit ****, the Clippers have hellacious defensive talent, and the Jazz had a game to the last second. A couple of frustrating given up offensive rebounds and the Jazz maybe win this. On the road. Against the biggest threat to knock-off the Lakers.

Like, let's have a little perspective about how much the Jazz have been fighting above their weight, and they also haven't had anything resembling crunch time in a minute. They'll be better for this.

That being said, there's a reason there's been a consensus about bringing in a bigger perimeter defender. Cuz we need it. I don't think there's a move the Jazz can make except on the buyout market, so hopefully something shakes loose.

This.

I'm actually encouraged by this game. We showed we are definitely contenders.
We will also learn a lot from this game. I expect if we see them in the post season, Quin will have their number.