Elijah Millsap: Lindsey in exit interview: “if u say one more word, I’ll cut your Black *** and send you back to Louisiana”.

[RandyForRubio]

I'm only 4 years older than Snyder. You think he grew up in a completely different time somehow?

Pretty irrelevant, just like comparing what was commonplace 4 decades ago to more current times.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Why? Even if Lindsey remembers it differently, if he is an anti-racist as others claim, he can acknowledge that he obviously said things very poorly (and if Millsap has this much resentment 6 years later, he said something poorly), that he needs to be better, and that he will work on being better. What does Lindsey lose by saying that?

Even if he remembers it differently, he’s wrong because the accuser is always right.

That’s a hell of a take man.

 

[kabenac]

Cy is the biggest stand in victim on the board. He'll bear the cross of offense for anyone.

That's why I have his dumb*** blocked. A few years ago I compared a player's style of game to another player's style of game and both are black players (I think one player I compared was Thon Maker) and for that reason he claimed I was being racist comparing two black players.

I don't play dumb imaginary argument games with people and so I blocked him so I wouldn't have to read his stupid **** again; he's probably called every known member on this board a racist which leads me to believe he's likely one and is deflecting as that's what people with a nasty secret typically do. It's like those politicians who rally against gay rights and then they're exposed for being gay themselves.

 

[RandyForRubio]

I saw that a couple of pages later, and gave it a thumb, but it was devoid of reasons for Millsap lying.

I discussed that later, but in general, the same reasons people have lied for the last millennia. Attention, clout, the usual. Some people just lie.

I don’t know the truth. You don’t know the truth. What you think are facts are only assumptions. It would be wise to remember that.

 

[LogGrad98]

Really, you're better than this. Almost no one suffers serious consequences from cancel culture, whether they are cancelled for kneeling at the wrong time or for tackling teen-age kids. Other opportunities always turn up for them.

Almost no one isn't no one. Any lives destroyed by an accusation alone is too much. Or are you espousing straight utilitarianism in these scenarios? it is fine to hurt or even destroy a few as long as it is better for more people in the long run? Or are you better than that?

To be fair, I might have gone at this a little hard, but it is because I have a couple of close friends who were directly impact by cancel culture. I will not discuss their situation because I told them I would not, but I will say they were both teachers, emphasis on "were". So when it is a real thing to a real person you know some of the ability to stand back and just try to brush it aside as if it isn't a thing goes out the window.

So I disagree with you there, and I stand by it. It is damaging and hurts real people. Period. It needs to stop.

If there is a claim against DL then Elijah needed to take it to the organization ideally. However, he has the right to do exactly what he did, even if I disagree with that approach. And even though I might disagree with that approach, I still think the organization owes it to Elijah to investigate, and in the same breath Dl deserves his due diligence, and the chance to defend himself. Period. Regardless of the accusation.

I made no claims about the accusation itself. Anything along those lines are words put in my mouth, and you did that here as well, put words in my mouth. I was purely speaking out about cancel culture and the need people feel to immediately take any accusation at face value and be judge, jury, and executioner regardless of what the actual facts might be.

 

[infection]

Why? Even if Lindsey remembers it differently, if he is an anti-racist as others claim, he can acknowledge that he obviously said things very poorly (and if Millsap has this much resentment 6 years later, he said something poorly), that he needs to be better, and that he will work on being better. What does Lindsey lose by saying that?

I believe the answer to that question would depend on what hypotheticals we'd be willing to grant. Under the presumption that DL said something ranging anywhere from what's alleged to saying something inadvertently that could be misconstrued or interpreted in such a manner, then the above makes sense. In a hypothetical where nothing was said nor anything that could be misconstrued, then perhaps the question of response in that scenario is conceivably different than the others. But the implication, I'm assuming, is that you're concluding, among many hypotheticals, that the latter is entirely off the table, thus only one response (generally speaking) is appropriate.

 

[framer]

Why? Even if Lindsey remembers it differently, if he is an anti-racist as others claim, he can acknowledge that he obviously said things very poorly (and if Millsap has this much resentment 6 years later, he said something poorly), that he needs to be better, and that he will work on being better. What does Lindsey lose by saying that?

The is the way things SHOULD work, but that is not the world we live in today. You think Milsap is going to let this rest? He chose this outlet an manner purposely. If he was interested in a learning experience, he could have contacted Lindsey directly at any point in the last 6 years.

 

[One Brow]

Pretty irrelevant, just like comparing what was commonplace 4 decades ago to more current times.

The habits we develop when we are young stay with us al of our lives. That's even in the Bible, in case you forgot.

 

[One Brow]

Even if he remembers it differently, he’s wrong because the accuser is always right.

That’s a hell of a take man.

Some people care more about personal justification, some care about moving forward and getting things done. Where do you stand on that?

Sure, that's a terrible take on your words, just like yours were a terrible take on mine.

 

[One Brow]

I discussed that later, but in general, the same reasons people have lied for the last millennia. Attention, clout, the usual. Some people just lie.

I don’t know the truth. You don’t know the truth. What you think are facts are only assumptions. It would be wise to remember that.

What sort of potential positive attention or clout comes to Millsap from this?

I agree we don't have the actual facts, and are not likely to get them. That doesn't make all possibilities equally likely.

 

[MTS]

But yeah, I would probably fire him, especially if no players are coming out to defend him. Utah has to be more diligent about these things to help their image.

I think this is extreme without any further corraborating evidence/statements from others. As a matter of principle, I'm strongly against significantly damaging somebody's career and reputation based on "what looks good", when no wrong-doing has any evidence behind it besides a single individual's accusation. I also don't know if it sends the greatest message to other talented individuals currently working for or might consider working for Ryan - 'If anybody ever accuses you of any wrongdoing, we will fire you - no further questions asked and no further evidence needed'.

That having been said, I also don't think Elijah's accusations should just be ignored. This should be looked into. Maybe other former/current players should be reached out to and asked if they had any similar experiences, with the promise of privacy/anonymity. If others speak up about things DL has said, or if, somehow, corraborating evidence comes out, then yes, fire him. That level of bigotry can't be tolerated in any organization, let alone a professional basketball team.

What I also think should be done is steps taken within the organization to ensure something like this straight up cannot happen going forward. How that gets implemented, I don't know. But I certainly believe there's a middle ground between "Fire the accused" and "Ignore the accuser".

 

[Getting Traded]

What I don't like is when people make these accusations, years after the fact and no one else can corroborate them. A lot of the MeToo situations are like that -- for instance, Biden's accuser Tara Reade (no one could corroborate it but her mother who is dead and wasn't there in any case -- she supposedly told one other person who wasn't present either). Or the recent one related to Cuomo -- everyone on his staff said her accusations are false. And all of these are words or actions that can be misinterpreted. I stick to the old kindergarten aphorism: "Sticks and stones can hurt my bones, but words will never hurt me."

Sure there are words that have more power, like the N-word and they do reflect the unconscious beliefs of a person, but we have to get past this "politically-correct" nonsense, which in itself is an unconscious form of hostility. Does EM harbor hostility towards the Jazz, not only because he felt he wasn't given a proper chance (I think he got preferred treatment because of his brother), or maybe his brother felt slighted because he turned out to be the better of Favors and PM, and the Jazz chose Favors. Who knows. It seems, however, to come out years later with something like this is inappropriate and simply lashing out against someone because of personal grudges. It also shows lack of character on the part of someone for not confronting the situation when it occurred.