Nba don't want the Jazz to win the title.

[LoPo]

I HATE the super team mentality. “I’m not talented enough to win with my own team so I’ll join a team already loaded because I want winning to be easy”

This is why Jordan will always still be viewed as the better player over Lebron. Lebron chases rings by joining up with his friends. Jordan stayed and said I got this.

Jordan had a losing season every single season without Pippen. Yes, 5 losing seasons.



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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Uhh... I don’t quite follow. The point is... Jordan never went ring chasing. He stayed with 1 team and then... when he felt he could no longer be the best... he retired - just like John Stockton and Reggie Miller. The original point was that... LBJ is no Jordan.

Yeah and the Cavs FO wasnt the Bulls FO either. Put Jordan in LBJ's shoes and he probably changes teams eventually.

 

[LoPo]

So when KD, an mvp, left for a historically good warriors team when Okc nearly beat them in the playoffs it’s good he left because he’d be a washed veteran otherwise? Haha what? Lebron left Cleveland in his prime to join a super team because he would’ve been washed if he stayed?

Yeah many players are washed that leave their original teams - that’s not the issue. The issue is mvp caliber players going to already stacked teams and zero mvp player calibers willingly go elsewhere or willingly going to smaller markets. The best players always leave small markers for big markets, almost NEVER the other way around. This creates an enormous unfair advantage to large markets.

LeBron had to leave. Danny Ferry had destroyed that team's potential. Wade hadn't made it out of the first round for 3 years. Bosh had only seen the 2nd round once.

People moan about the Miami big 3, but it doesn't even compare to Durant sandbagging going to GS.

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[LoPo]

Uhh... I don’t quite follow. The point is... Jordan never went ring chasing. He stayed with 1 team and then... when he felt he could no longer be the best... he retired - just like John Stockton and Reggie Miller. The original point was that... LBJ is no Jordan.

Jordan was lucky to have Phil, Pippen, Reinsdorf, Tex Winter, and a great roster.

Jordan needed help. It came to him. Not everybody is that lucky.

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[Max Porter]

Yeah and the Cavs FO wasnt the Bulls FO either. Put Jordan in LBJ's shoes and he probably changes teams eventually.

This is founded on absolutely nothing haha did Jordan ever hint or suggest he would do that. He was loyal to the bulls from the get go and what did he do when he lost to Orlando and didn’t make it to the playoffs after winning a chip. He got pissed and got even better; made his team better.

 

[Max Porter]

LeBron had to leave. Danny Ferry had destroyed that team's potential. Wade hadn't made it out of the first round for 3 years. Bosh had only seen the 2nd round once.

People moan about the Miami big 3, but it doesn't even compare to Durant sandbagging going to GS.

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I do agree it doesn’t compare. Lebron wasn’t going to a historically great team like the warriors wow haha that was basically just cheating.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This is founded on absolutely nothing haha did Jordan ever hint or suggest he would do that. He was loyal to the bulls from the get go and what did he do when he lost to Orlando and didn’t make it to the playoffs after winning a chip. He got pissed and got even better; made his team better.

Yeah, he got drafted into a major market and had stars put around him.

Put him in a small market and have the best player he played with be Mo Williams and tell me what he'd do.

 

[Max Porter]

Yeah, he got drafted into a major market and had stars put around him.

Put him in a small market and have the best player he played with be Mo Williams and tell me what he'd do.

But what you need to understand it took him several years to win a championship he was not actually placed on a team with stars they collectively put the work in as a team to get better. I guarantee you even if he was placed in a small market he’d stick with them. He even stayed with his psycho gm who tried to get him to retire haha come on.

Also, stars in the 90s weren’t creating super teams, they just didn’t do it unless the player was at the very end of their career.

 

[Gameface]

But what you need to understand it took him several years to win a championship he was not actually placed on a team with stars they collectively put the work in as a team to get better. I guarantee you even if he was placed in a small market he’d stick with them. He even stayed with his psycho gm who tried to get him to retire haha come on.

Also, stars in the 90s weren’t creating super teams, they just didn’t do it unless the player was at the very end of their career.

Yeah, they didn't do it in the 90s... because all the super teams were already established in the 80s. It was a Lakers and Celtics league for a long time.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

But what you need to understand it took him several years to win a championship he was not actually placed on a team with stars they collectively put the work in as a team to get better. I guarantee you even if he was placed in a small market he’d stick with them. He even stayed with his psycho gm who tried to get him to retire haha come on.

Also, stars in the 90s weren’t creating super teams, they just didn’t do it unless the player was at the very end of their career.

Please explain all those Boston and LA teams then.

Why exactly does how the super team is made piss you off so much? The team is super no matter if the players are drafted there, are traded there, or decides to sign there.

 

[fishonjazz]

Uhh... I don’t quite follow. The point is... Jordan never went ring chasing. He stayed with 1 team and then... when he felt he could no longer be the best... he retired - just like John Stockton and Reggie Miller. The original point was that... LBJ is no Jordan.

Eh different times and eras. If jordan played in today's league then maybe he would switch teams.
If LeBron played in the 80's and 90's then maybe he stays with one team his entire career.

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[fishonjazz]

This is founded on absolutely nothing haha did Jordan ever hint or suggest he would do that. He was loyal to the bulls from the get go and what did he do when he lost to Orlando and didn’t make it to the playoffs after winning a chip. He got pissed and got even better; made his team better.

He also quit on his team and played baseball
:^O

And went to Washington lol

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[fishonjazz]

Also, stars in the 90s weren’t creating super teams, they just didn’t do it unless the player was at the very end of their career.

Exactly.
Jordan playing today probably switches teams
Lebron in the 90's probably doesn't

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[The Fresh Prince]

And kukoc and kerr and rodman and Phil jackson to name a few more. Why the hell would he leave that?

I wonder what jordan would have done if those guys were replaced with Shannon brown, daniel gibson, drew gooden, larry hughes, zudrunas illgaskas, damon jones, dwane jones, ira newble, sasha pavlovic, scott pollard, Eric snow, anderson vallejo, and david wesley.

Lebron took that team to the finals btw. That team might have finished in dead last without lebron. Instead they went to the ****ing finals. That roster is straight garbage.

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He had the equivalent of that in his first few seasons in the league. Granted the East was VERY weak at that time when Lebron made the finals his first year, it is very impressive that he was able to get them there. Mike had to tough it out for about 7 years until he was able to get his first ring. That's about the equivalent of a drafted player's tenure with the team that drafted them. I'd assume that if Jordan didn't win anything for another year or two he would've considered leaving Chicago.

 

[jaytulao]

so now with Drummond with the Lakers, it would really be beautiful to see BkN and Lakers not make it to the finals

 

[Revolution 9]

Jazz are content with being good, and having a cool friendly bunch of guys.

Niang, Royce, and company aren't good enough. But hey we are super nice and cute. YAY!

 

[The mailman]

Yeah and the Cavs FO wasnt the Bulls FO either. Put Jordan in LBJ's shoes and he probably changes teams eventually.

Perhaps. But we’re not just talking about leaving one team for another. LBJ did this several times. Sure, perhaps MJ leaves Cleveland for Miami like LBJ. Fair enough. But would Jordan then leave Miami too? And would he leave Cleveland (again) to go ring chasing with the Lakers? We can only speculate on the answers but I say no way.

Of course he had a great situation with the Bulls - but it’s because people came to HIM. And it took time. It took years. It took patience and perseverance. And loyalty.

 

[infection]

I think it's fair to say that LJB and Jordan were in different eras that had much different cultures in terms of the kind of longevity one would have with an organization as well as the concept of teaming up for super teams, but I think you also would have to factor in LeBron being a very huge impact and driving force behind that cultural shift.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Perhaps. But we’re not just talking about leaving one team for another. LBJ did this several times. Sure, perhaps MJ leaves Cleveland for Miami like LBJ. Fair enough. But would Jordan then leave Miami too? And would he leave Cleveland (again) to go ring chasing with the Lakers? We can only speculate on the answers but I say no way.

Of course he had a great situation with the Bulls - but it’s because people came to HIM. And it took time. It took years. It took patience and perseverance. And loyalty.

Lebron left miami to go back to cleveland. They weren't good. He went to La. They also weren't good

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think it's fair to say that LJB and Jordan were in different eras that had much different cultures in terms of the kind of longevity one would have with an organization as well as the concept of teaming up for super teams, but I think you also would have to factor in LeBron being a very huge impact and driving force behind that cultural shift.

I would put it more on Boston and LA for the KG/Allen trade and the Pau trade