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Derek Chauvin Murder Trial

I can see from the comments that people have not been watching the trial. I have, not all, but a lot of it. Today was especially riveting because they showed what happened before the police got him on the ground. They also showed the people who had gathered shouting at the police. If I were there, I know I would've been one of them; I might've ended up getting shot trying to stop them, it was so brutal.

But let me describe what happened. The police were called because the mgr of the store asked the cashier to call them because of the fake $20 bill.

Two policemen approached George who was sitting in his car in the driver's seat. One had his gun drawn while the other cop said, I kid you not, "Get your f'n hands off the steering wheel!" And then he let fly a volley of f-bombs that would've embarrassed Jerry Sloan. It was outrageous and brutal how they handled him then and when they got him out of the car. They were like animals with no regard for George's humanity. It made me surge with anger just watching it. I couldn't believe police officers would act like this. It was nothing like what you see on Cops or anything I ever experienced. Let's just say outrageous is an understatement and underscores why we need serious police reform. So even before they got George on the ground, there was some serious brutality occurring.

At least two people who have testified that I saw have started crying. It was heart-wrenching to watch and made me feel like Chauvin should be executed on the spot. This is something we as a nation need to rally together against, to galvanize an attack on racism, to root it out of law enforcement, to make every police officer undergo a psychological evaluation to see if they have anger issues or problems with the races of others -- and thereafter everyone hired to be a police officer should be required to undergo this. This is serious stuff and we have a responsibility to pay attention to this trial, and use it as motivation to confront the problem of racism and police brutality.

To conclude, it shook me to watch these videos but we need to watch them because if we ignore them, we will not be able to solve these problems. In fact, because of Der Fuhrer Trump's encouragement, they have become worse.
And I can see from your comment you have absolutely no idea what cadets in the academy have to go through to become a police officer. I also see that cussing denotes police brutality to you. That’s amazing. The guy was tough enough to commit tons of crime including home invasion, but he can’t take and F’bomb after he just tried to pass counterfeit money? I agree with SOME of your thoughts on the case, but the political side to this post is absolutely ridiculous.
 
And I can see from your comment you have absolutely no idea what cadets in the academy have to go through to become a police officer. I also see that cussing denotes police brutality to you. That’s amazing. The guy was tough enough to commit tons of crime including home invasion, but he can’t take and F’bomb after he just tried to pass counterfeit money? I agree with SOME of your thoughts on the case, but the political side to this post is absolutely ridiculous.
Some Pretty horrible **** happens in the police academy, as these journalists found out. Their training included teachings from Hitler as Police were trained to brutalize POC.

Let’s not make our police to be these “knights in shining armor.” They’re absolutely not. Law and Order makes for good tv but it’s hardly the norm. Most are adrenaline junkies who couldn’t do anything else. They don’t need college degrees (something I think should be required). Many have military experience and have come home from the Middle East. They treat Americans as foreigners and cities needing occupation.

They get off on the power and benefits of being a cop. They receive a disproportionate amount of funding and are some of the best compensated public employees in the nation. If there’s a less accountable profession in our entire economy, I want to know what it is. Prosecutors, politicians, and the public don’t dare **** with them like they disparage educators on a daily basis. So altogether, the police have a pretty sweet gig. You need few qualifications, you’re ridiculously compensated, and you have complete immunity from almost any performance or action. No other occupation in the country operates with such impunity.

I just can’t imagine how one can look at the history of the American law enforcement and judicial system and not feel unparalleled shame and embarrassment. We incarcerate more than Russia and China. The police brutalize and extort entire communities. They confiscate property of others, even if they’re innocent, decimating families. The entire system is needing radical reform.

Protect and serve? More like harass and extort, that’s far more accurate. We only know about George floyd because of a recent invention called the camera phone. How many other Floyds have we missed? How many more will we have because we refuse to end the failed war on drugs and enact meaningful police reform?

These articles are eye-opening:


Just curious, has anyone here read “Just Mercy?”
 
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And I can see from your comment you have absolutely no idea what cadets in the academy have to go through to become a police officer. I also see that cussing denotes police brutality to you. That’s amazing. The guy was tough enough to commit tons of crime including home invasion, but he can’t take and F’bomb after he just tried to pass counterfeit money? I agree with SOME of your thoughts on the case, but the political side to this post is absolutely ridiculous.
You're an idiot. I'll have you know I worked for a daily newspaper and I covered the police beat. No self-respecting police officer would approach someone like this with f-bombs. Right there, you are escalating the situation. So, the man tried to pass a $20 bill. Such a terrible, violent crime. This is why people don't respect the police because they don't show respect to the people. You are so ignorant. And since when did he commits tons of crimes? You must be a bleeping racist. Figures, you're from Alabammy.
 
Some Pretty horrible **** happens in the police academy, as these journalists found out. Their training included teachings from Hitler as Police were trained to brutalize POC.

Let’s not make our police to be these “knights in shining armor.” They’re absolutely not. Law and Order makes for good tv but it’s hardly the norm. Most are adrenaline junkies who couldn’t do anything else. They don’t need college degrees (something I think should be required). Many have military experience and have come home from the Middle East. They treat Americans as foreigners and cities needing occupation.

They get off on the power and benefits of being a cop. They receive a disproportionate amount of funding and are some of the best compensated public employees in the nation. If there’s a less accountable profession in our entire economy, I want to know what it is. Prosecutors, politicians, and the public don’t dare **** with them like they disparage educators on a daily basis. So altogether, the police have a pretty sweet gig. You need few qualifications, you’re ridiculously compensated, and you have complete immunity from almost any performance or action. No other occupation in the country operates with such impunity.

I just can’t imagine how one can look at the history of the American law enforcement and judicial system and not feel unparalleled shame and embarrassment. We incarcerate more than Russia and China. The police brutalize and extort entire communities. They confiscate property of others, even if they’re innocent, decimating families. The entire system is needing radical reform.

Protect and serve? More like harass and extort, that’s far more accurate. We only know about George floyd because of a recent invention called the camera phone. How many other Floyds have we missed? How many more will we have because we refuse to end the failed war on drugs and enact meaningful police reform?

These articles are eye-opening:


Just curious, has anyone here read “Just Mercy?”
Amen
 
You're an idiot. I'll have you know I worked for a daily newspaper and I covered the police beat. No self-respecting police officer would approach someone like this with f-bombs. Right there, you are escalating the situation. So, the man tried to pass a $20 bill. Such a terrible, violent crime. This is why people don't respect the police because they don't show respect to the people. You are so ignorant. And since when did he commits tons of crimes? You must be a bleeping racist. Figures, you're from Alabammy.
Ah there you go with the stereotypes right out of the gate. Figures. I didn’t say they should have. Dropping f bombs. Wow big time police brutality. I also never said I didn’t think the cops should go to jail (he should), but you just couldn’t wait to try to bash me for calling your lack of knowledge out on the police side of things. The point I was trying to make was that he’d had run ins with the law before. And yes 9 times he was convicted of crimes. So yes I’d say that’s excessive.
 
Some Pretty horrible **** happens in the police academy, as these journalists found out. Their training included teachings from Hitler as Police were trained to brutalize POC.

Let’s not make our police to be these “knights in shining armor.” They’re absolutely not. Law and Order makes for good tv but it’s hardly the norm. Most are adrenaline junkies who couldn’t do anything else. They don’t need college degrees (something I think should be required). Many have military experience and have come home from the Middle East. They treat Americans as foreigners and cities needing occupation.

They get off on the power and benefits of being a cop. They receive a disproportionate amount of funding and are some of the best compensated public employees in the nation. If there’s a less accountable profession in our entire economy, I want to know what it is. Prosecutors, politicians, and the public don’t dare **** with them like they disparage educators on a daily basis. So altogether, the police have a pretty sweet gig. You need few qualifications, you’re ridiculously compensated, and you have complete immunity from almost any performance or action. No other occupation in the country operates with such impunity.

I just can’t imagine how one can look at the history of the American law enforcement and judicial system and not feel unparalleled shame and embarrassment. We incarcerate more than Russia and China. The police brutalize and extort entire communities. They confiscate property of others, even if they’re innocent, decimating families. The entire system is needing radical reform.

Protect and serve? More like harass and extort, that’s far more accurate. We only know about George floyd because of a recent invention called the camera phone. How many other Floyds have we missed? How many more will we have because we refuse to end the failed war on drugs and enact meaningful police reform?

These articles are eye-opening:


Just curious, has anyone here read “Just Mercy?”
“Best compensated” I wish you would have typed that first so I didn’t have to read the rest of that mess. You couldn’t walk a day in a cops shoes, but continue to spout off at the mouth behind a keyboard about something you know nothing about. I’d bet your job doesn’t require you to put your life on the line daily.
 
“Best compensated” I wish you would have typed that first so I didn’t have to read the rest of that mess. You couldn’t walk a day in a cops shoes, but continue to spout off at the mouth behind a keyboard about something you know nothing about. I’d bet your job doesn’t require you to put your life on the line daily.
Hey, A-hole, I just sent you a private message.
 
Ah there you go with the stereotypes right out of the gate. Figures. I didn’t say they should have. Dropping f bombs. Wow big time police brutality. I also never said I didn’t think the cops should go to jail (he should), but you just couldn’t wait to try to bash me for calling your lack of knowledge out on the police side of things. The point I was trying to make was that he’d had run ins with the law before. And yes 9 times he was convicted of crimes. So yes I’d say that’s excessive.
Petty crimes. Was he a violent person? So, you're suggesting the police had a motive in killing him, eh?
 
Are any of you following it? I'm not following it closely but do read a daily summary.

I'm going in thinking Chauvin is 100% guilty of 2nd degree murder. I'll see if anything the defense presents changes my mind.

Following the comments on KSL.com it seems the argument in favor of Chauvin is basically that, 1 - Floyd was high on fentanyl and meth and was trying to pass counterfeit money, 2 - watch the entire unedited video, Floyd said he couldn't breath even when he was standing up, 3 - coroner said their wasn't strangulation, 4 - you should do whatever police tell you to do otherwise they are allowed to kill you.

I don't find any of that particularly informative in regard to Chauvin being a murderer. They very eager desire to insistently talk about Floyd's drug use is downright offensive. If you are a person who hears that Floyd was on drugs and your reaction is "well I guess that's that, can't convict a cop of murder now." then you are part of the problem imho.

Also, police frequently ask people to do things that they cannot legally force the person to do. They say it in a way that sounds like an order, but it isn't. It's a request. This is a behavior that should be eliminated from law enforcement. They should make requests in a way that makes it clear that they are making a request and they should give orders in a completely different way that makes it clear that they are giving a lawful order. Police that give orders that are not lawful or that they do not have the authority or justification for giving should be punished.

If Floyd was having a hard time breathing standing up they should have gotten him medical attention ASAP. I've read comments from people saying that "criminals" do that all the time to try to avoid being arrested. First, that's not how that works. Second, if an arrest takes longer while you make sure a person isn't about to die that seems okay to me. Not sure why in so many of these violent police interactions the police are in a hurry to escalate the encounter.

Fentanyl is a respiratory suppressant, which places yo at greater risk of a heart attack and meth lowers your inhibitions and compliance to pain. So from the perspective of the defence those issues would definitely be pertinent as an explanation of the officers actions and contributing factor to the outcome.

Im guessing what killed Mr Floyd was position asphyxiation, once that process beings it has never been reversed even when it happens in a hospital. I've not watched the video and I don't really have any interest in watching it, do I think these cops meant to kill this bloke? No. Are they going to get convicted or murder? Probably. Is that really just? Probably not Is it going to fix race relations in America? No. Who needs Stalin for a show trial?
 
Petty crimes. Was he a violent person? So, you're suggesting the police had a motive in killing him, eh?
Ok, I looked up his record, He did spent time in prison, more than once, and it is mainly for cocaine possession, so he did have a drug problem. His record is as follows:
  1. He served five years in prison for armed robbery which he participated in with five other individual and committed in 2007. It was the last time he committed a criminal offense.
  2. Altogether his criminal record includes 5 convictions related to theft, possession, and trade of coke. His last cocaine arrest dates back to 2005, and he served ten months in the state jail. He also was involved in two more cocaine offenses, in October 2002 and in 2004, for which he did eight-months and ten-months sentence in prison respectively.
  3. He was also linked to two convictions in the 1990s for possession and theft of a controlled substance (cocaine). However, it is not clear whether or not Floyd served his time in prison for this felony.
  4. He was accused of a firearm robbery in August 1998 for which he served 10 months at Harris County Jail. In April 2002, Floyd was condemned to 30 days of prison for trespassing private property.
So, that gives the police the right to brutalize him? Let me tell you, I've been in prison and they are brutal and racist, and if you go to a max security prison, you will find mostly black inmates.

I know it was 30 years ago, but I almost took an English teaching position in a max security prison in upstate NY. I was hired and went to sign paperwork and get my ID at the prison. As I passed through the hallway past the cells, I saw no white inmates and the guards addressed the inmates as "boy." But the greatest shocker was when I entered the guard's office where I had to do my paperwork and get my ID. Draping one of the wall's was a huge 15-foot Confederate flag. And no, this wasn't Alabama or South Carolina. This was upstate NY. After I left I declined the offer of the job. I also called the State Department of Corrections and reported it. Whether they took it down is anyone's guess.

 
Fentanyl is a respiratory suppressant, which places yo at greater risk of a heart attack and meth lowers your inhibitions and compliance to pain. So from the perspective of the defence those issues would definitely be pertinent as an explanation of the officers actions and contributing factor to the outcome.

Im guessing what killed Mr Floyd was position asphyxiation, once that process beings it has never been reversed even when it happens in a hospital. I've not watched the video and I don't really have any interest in watching it, do I think these cops meant to kill this bloke? No. Are they going to get convicted or murder? Probably. Is that really just? Probably not Is it going to fix race relations in America? No. Who needs Stalin for a show trial?
Rub, if you don't think the cops meant to kill this bloke, then you need to watch the video. Any moron who watched it would see that they had total disregard for Floyd's life. It was blatant and obvious.
 
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