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Derek Chauvin Murder Trial

JazzFanNBama said:
“Best compensated” I wish you would have typed that first so I didn’t have to read the rest of that mess. You couldn’t walk a day in a cops shoes, but continue to spout off at the mouth behind a keyboard about something you know nothing about. I’d bet your job doesn’t require you to put your life on the line daily.
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Furthermore, there is no justification for their behavior that day. And you apparently didn't watch the brutal interaction when they approached Floyd and dragged him out of his car. And it wasn't just the f-bombs but how they said them, the power and force of emotion in their voice. Now, after looking up his record I can understand why he was so terrified. He kept saying, please don't shoot me -- they were pointing a gun at him during this. He didn't want to go to prison and he actually was afraid something terrible was going to happen to him and it did. They murdered him. I am so angry about this and everyone should be because this happens all the time in America.

Just look at this:

Killer Cops: Police Killed Over 1,000 Americans in 2020​

American police violence is off the charts compared to other developed countries, with homicides occurring at a per capita rate almost 70 times that of the UK, and nearly 170 times more than Japan.​


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Eenie-Meenie said:
Rub, if you don't think the cops meant to kill this bloke, then you need to watch the video. Any moron who watched it would see that they had total disregard for Floyd's life. It was blatant and obvious.
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I have no interest in watching snuff films. Also what precipitated the restraint? Pre being restrained to ground what happened? everything has a context.
 
Rubashov said:
I have no interest in watching snuff films. Also what precipitated the restraint? Pre being restrained to ground what happened? everything has a context.
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Did you see my description of the incident? He didn't want to get out of the car. He was terrified. They were pointing a gun at him. He didn't try to hit them; he simply struggled when they tried to drag him out. You know they could've handled it a lot differently and given him a citation to appear in court. A fake $20 bill? But he was black and he did have a criminal record, and probably Chauvin who had been on the force 19 years knew him, though he wasn't there when they tried to dislodge him. And because of Floyd's prior run-ins and though he hadn't been in trouble for more than a decade, he feared the worst.
 
Weird. It’s almost like Floyd needed a social worker who could help him with his issues rather than a bully sitting on his neck for 9 mins...

How many other murders committed by cops have we seen in the past few years that could’ve been avoided had someone else other than a cop intervened? We need people who can de-escalate a situation. Can we please rethink law enforcement in this country without getting emotional about it? Cuz what we have right now? IS NOT WORKING
 
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JazzFanNBama said:
“Best compensated” I wish you would have typed that first so I didn’t have to read the rest of that mess. You couldn’t walk a day in a cops shoes, but continue to spout off at the mouth behind a keyboard about something you know nothing about. I’d bet your job doesn’t require you to put your life on the line daily.
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Yes! Absolutely! They are among the best compensated public employees in our nation. They make more than the average educator in Utah and they don’t even have to have 4 year degrees (unlike educators). I chose to not go into police work, because I’m not an adrenaline addicted bully (like most cops). I chose an academic pursuit in life. But if I had based my decision purely on monetary needs and/or a need for power, easily could’ve become a Utah cop. And I would’ve saved thousands in student debt too. And I know I’d face far less accountability than I do today. I actually have to teach, research, and produce something.
 
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Eenie-Meenie said:
Did you see my description of the incident? He didn't want to get out of the car. He was terrified. They were pointing a gun at him. He didn't try to hit them; he simply struggled when they tried to drag him out. You know they could've handled it a lot differently and given him a citation to appear in court. A fake $20 bill? But he was black and he did have a criminal record, and probably Chauvin who had been on the force 19 years knew him, though he wasn't there when they tried to dislodge him. And because of Floyd's prior run-ins and though he hadn't been in trouble for more than a decade, he feared the worst.
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You just touched on Exhibit A of America’s failing law enforcement system. How much white collar crime costing others thousands of dollars was being committed in downtown Minny at the time of Floyd’s murder? Yet, we’ll kill a man over $20 bucks because he’s black and well it’s all too easy to hammer some poor black guy than to deal with an affluent white guy who might the have resources to fight back against the PD.

This same thing plays throughout the nation every single day.

Are police focusing their drug enforcement efforts in Holladay, Bountiful, or Alpine? Or are they focusing on Rose Park, Kearns, and taylorsville?

If you have a quota to fill on car/traffic violations, are you going to look for beat up cars on the west side or the east side of the SL valley? Which populations is this going to disproportionately affect?

We all know the answer to these questions. And if we know the answers to these questions, how well do you think the people living in these communities know these answers?

Law enforcement needs huge reform.
 
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Eenie-Meenie said:
Furthermore, there is no justification for their behavior that day. And you apparently didn't watch the brutal interaction when they approached Floyd and dragged him out of his car. And it wasn't just the f-bombs but how they said them, the power and force of emotion in their voice. Now, after looking up his record I can understand why he was so terrified. He kept saying, please don't shoot me -- they were pointing a gun at him during this. He didn't want to go to prison and he actually was afraid something terrible was going to happen to him and it did. They murdered him. I am so angry about this and everyone should be because this happens all the time in America.

Just look at this:

Killer Cops: Police Killed Over 1,000 Americans in 2020​

American police violence is off the charts compared to other developed countries, with homicides occurring at a per capita rate almost 70 times that of the UK, and nearly 170 times more than Japan.​


MintPressNews
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1,000 deaths? 70x the rate as the UK? 170x the rate as Japan???

“pRoTeCt AnD sErVe”

Clearly, this law enforcement thingie in this country isn’t working.
 
The Thriller said:
The jury is caught in a real quandary. I haven’t followed this case as closely as I normally follow these cases. But could you imagine being on the jury? The pressure they have? I think the jury is probably under tremendous pressure to lower the boom. If they don’t, we might see unprecedented civic unrest nationwide. Who wants that on their conscience?
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I agree but the facts make it a lot easier to find the guy guilty. As a human-being, what the cop did was murder, no doubts. All the he was on drugs and he didn't comply crap that we hear for excuses is nonsense. The cop knew the guy and had a beef with him at a club he was providing private security. The idea that the crowd distracted the cops is ridiculous. They handcuffed the guy and could have turned him over and picked him up. If he was still having trouble breathing than they call for medical help. Too many police have the attitude that they are above the law and this is why cases like this happen. Heaven help this country if they acquit this cop. I lived in LA when they gave a hand slap to the cops who beat Rodney King and this would be 100 times worse consider the events of the past few years. I do not blame the black community. They have taken crap for too long not to say enough is enough.
 
The Thriller said:
Let’s not make our police to be these “knights in shining armor.” They’re absolutely not. Law and Order makes for good tv but it’s hardly the norm. Most are adrenaline junkies who couldn’t do anything else. They don’t need college degrees (something I think should be required). Many have military experience and have come home from the Middle East. They treat Americans as foreigners and cities needing occupation.
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Oh bull ****.
 
Beer said:
Oh bull ****.
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Well, as usual, The Thriller and Eenie-Meenie are putting things in an extreme light, but if you go looking for videos of police training and seminars, you'll see a lot "us vs. them" and "establish control" being emphasized over more than "respect and protect".
 
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