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Petty crimes. Was he a violent person? So, you're suggesting the police had a motive in killing him, eh?
Derek Chauvin Murder Trial
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Fentanyl is a respiratory suppressant, which places yo at greater risk of a heart attack and meth lowers your inhibitions and compliance to pain. So from the perspective of the defence those issues would definitely be pertinent as an explanation of the officers actions and contributing factor to the outcome.
Im guessing what killed Mr Floyd was position asphyxiation, once that process beings it has never been reversed even when it happens in a hospital. I've not watched the video and I don't really have any interest in watching it, do I think these cops meant to kill this bloke? No. Are they going to get convicted or murder? Probably. Is that really just? Probably not Is it going to fix race relations in America? No. Who needs Stalin for a show trial?
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Ok, I looked up his record, He did spent time in prison, more than once, and it is mainly for cocaine possession, so he did have a drug problem. His record is as follows:
- He served five years in prison for armed robbery which he participated in with five other individual and committed in 2007. It was the last time he committed a criminal offense.
- Altogether his criminal record includes 5 convictions related to theft, possession, and trade of coke. His last cocaine arrest dates back to 2005, and he served ten months in the state jail. He also was involved in two more cocaine offenses, in October 2002 and in 2004, for which he did eight-months and ten-months sentence in prison respectively.
- He was also linked to two convictions in the 1990s for possession and theft of a controlled substance (cocaine). However, it is not clear whether or not Floyd served his time in prison for this felony.
- He was accused of a firearm robbery in August 1998 for which he served 10 months at Harris County Jail. In April 2002, Floyd was condemned to 30 days of prison for trespassing private property.
I know it was 30 years ago, but I almost took an English teaching position in a max security prison in upstate NY. I was hired and went to sign paperwork and get my ID at the prison. As I passed through the hallway past the cells, I saw no white inmates and the guards addressed the inmates as "boy." But the greatest shocker was when I entered the guard's office where I had to do my paperwork and get my ID. Draping one of the wall's was a huge 15-foot Confederate flag. And no, this wasn't Alabama or South Carolina. This was upstate NY. After I left I declined the offer of the job. I also called the State Department of Corrections and reported it. Whether they took it down is anyone's guess.
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Rub, if you don't think the cops meant to kill this bloke, then you need to watch the video. Any moron who watched it would see that they had total disregard for Floyd's life. It was blatant and obvious.
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Furthermore, there is no justification for their behavior that day. And you apparently didn't watch the brutal interaction when they approached Floyd and dragged him out of his car. And it wasn't just the f-bombs but how they said them, the power and force of emotion in their voice. Now, after looking up his record I can understand why he was so terrified. He kept saying, please don't shoot me -- they were pointing a gun at him during this. He didn't want to go to prison and he actually was afraid something terrible was going to happen to him and it did. They murdered him. I am so angry about this and everyone should be because this happens all the time in America.
Just look at this:
Killer Cops: Police Killed Over 1,000 Americans in 2020
American police violence is off the charts compared to other developed countries, with homicides occurring at a per capita rate almost 70 times that of the UK, and nearly 170 times more than Japan.
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I have no interest in watching snuff films. Also what precipitated the restraint? Pre being restrained to ground what happened? everything has a context.
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Did you see my description of the incident? He didn't want to get out of the car. He was terrified. They were pointing a gun at him. He didn't try to hit them; he simply struggled when they tried to drag him out. You know they could've handled it a lot differently and given him a citation to appear in court. A fake $20 bill? But he was black and he did have a criminal record, and probably Chauvin who had been on the force 19 years knew him, though he wasn't there when they tried to dislodge him. And because of Floyd's prior run-ins and though he hadn't been in trouble for more than a decade, he feared the worst.
The Thriller
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Weird. It’s almost like Floyd needed a social worker who could help him with his issues rather than a bully sitting on his neck for 9 mins...
How many other murders committed by cops have we seen in the past few years that could’ve been avoided had someone else other than a cop intervened? We need people who can de-escalate a situation. Can we please rethink law enforcement in this country without getting emotional about it? Cuz what we have right now? IS NOT WORKING
How many other murders committed by cops have we seen in the past few years that could’ve been avoided had someone else other than a cop intervened? We need people who can de-escalate a situation. Can we please rethink law enforcement in this country without getting emotional about it? Cuz what we have right now? IS NOT WORKING
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The Thriller
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Yes! Absolutely! They are among the best compensated public employees in our nation. They make more than the average educator in Utah and they don’t even have to have 4 year degrees (unlike educators). I chose to not go into police work, because I’m not an adrenaline addicted bully (like most cops). I chose an academic pursuit in life. But if I had based my decision purely on monetary needs and/or a need for power, easily could’ve become a Utah cop. And I would’ve saved thousands in student debt too. And I know I’d face far less accountability than I do today. I actually have to teach, research, and produce something.
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You just touched on Exhibit A of America’s failing law enforcement system. How much white collar crime costing others thousands of dollars was being committed in downtown Minny at the time of Floyd’s murder? Yet, we’ll kill a man over $20 bucks because he’s black and well it’s all too easy to hammer some poor black guy than to deal with an affluent white guy who might the have resources to fight back against the PD.
This same thing plays throughout the nation every single day.
Are police focusing their drug enforcement efforts in Holladay, Bountiful, or Alpine? Or are they focusing on Rose Park, Kearns, and taylorsville?
If you have a quota to fill on car/traffic violations, are you going to look for beat up cars on the west side or the east side of the SL valley? Which populations is this going to disproportionately affect?
We all know the answer to these questions. And if we know the answers to these questions, how well do you think the people living in these communities know these answers?
Law enforcement needs huge reform.
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1,000 deaths? 70x the rate as the UK? 170x the rate as Japan???
“pRoTeCt AnD sErVe”
Clearly, this law enforcement thingie in this country isn’t working.
I agree but the facts make it a lot easier to find the guy guilty. As a human-being, what the cop did was murder, no doubts. All the he was on drugs and he didn't comply crap that we hear for excuses is nonsense. The cop knew the guy and had a beef with him at a club he was providing private security. The idea that the crowd distracted the cops is ridiculous. They handcuffed the guy and could have turned him over and picked him up. If he was still having trouble breathing than they call for medical help. Too many police have the attitude that they are above the law and this is why cases like this happen. Heaven help this country if they acquit this cop. I lived in LA when they gave a hand slap to the cops who beat Rodney King and this would be 100 times worse consider the events of the past few years. I do not blame the black community. They have taken crap for too long not to say enough is enough.
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Oh bull ****.
Well, as usual, The Thriller and Eenie-Meenie are putting things in an extreme light, but if you go looking for videos of police training and seminars, you'll see a lot "us vs. them" and "establish control" being emphasized over more than "respect and protect".
JazzFanNBama
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This one included a racial slur. He seems like a super good guy.
Beer
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I do agree with that. I also understand the human nature of having almost every single interraction you have every single day being negative. Does that justify murder and police brutality? No, but do I generally give them a pass when they are less than super pleasant? Yes. I also understand that they chose this profession so I dont really feel all too bad for them, but they are still humans, and like it or not their environment plays a huge factor in how they act.
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Extreme light? Please expand on this.
The state of Kentucky was using that training since the early 1990s. It has caused even their Governor to order an investigation. Now what he can actually change in a red state with a red legislature is another issue... When “extremism” is so prevalent, don’t we have to consider it "mainstream?" Clearly, our issues aren’t based on “a few bad apples.” We have a system that is rotten to the core. We have a system designed to incentivize the exploitation and brutalization of minority communities without any accountability.
We incarcerate more than Russia and China. The incarceration rates of POC is many times that of whites. We allow the police to confiscate and keep private property even after those arrested see their charges dropped/aren't found guilty. Civil Forfeiture is a real problem:
Asset Forfeiture Abuse | American Civil Liberties Union
The ACLU works in courts, legislatures, and communities to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties that the Constitution and the laws of the United States guarantee everyone in this country.
www.aclu.org
Opinion | It'll take more than a Supreme Court case to end police abuse of property rights
Arbitrary state actions are exactly what the courts should be checking, and the Timbs decision provides a way to challenge many such abuses.
www.nbcnews.com
Like our extreme gun violence rates, Americans are so used to "extreme" issues with law enforcement, that we've become numb to its effect. It's now so mainstream to have brutal, racist, and unaccountable police that we no longer bat an eye to the insane rates of incarceration and police killings. We're just so used to police confiscating property that we don't even care. We're just used to police occupying communities (as long as they aren't OUR communities).
Kentucky State Police training presentation quoting Hitler is 'unacceptable,' governor says
The Kentucky State Police training slideshow by a former top official quoted Adolf Hitler three times and advocated for officers to use "ruthless" violence.
www.usatoday.com
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JazzFanNBama
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100% agree with you.
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The problem is the system that we have set up. Who and how are police held accountable?
1. Neither political party wants to touch them. Democrats don't want to mess with unions and Republicans don't want to mess with their unholy alliance with law enforcement. It makes for poor politics to say that you're "going after law enforcement." It makes it too easy for opponents to smear you as "soft on crime."
2. Prosecutors don't want to touch them because they're working with them. They have to maintain those relationships.
3. Police unions have unprecedented power and control. They'll defend even the worst police officers. No one wants to screw up this gravy train.
4. We have an entire incentive structure for police to extort and brutalize certain communities. A police officer will never be tempted to police Holladay like he will Kearns or Rose Park. Why? Because there's no incentive to!
5. The qualifications for police are so ridiculously low, that we don't really have any filter or vetting system. So any adrenaline crazed junkie can get on the force. I really do think that law enforcement would benefit by requiring all officers to have 4 year college degrees. Just to vet out a certain segment of our population. I also feel like those who have graduated from college (GENERALLY NOT ALWAYS) have better people skills and critical thinking skills. Education is a positive force that severely lacks in law enforcement.
6. Finally, we have a media that fetishizes the police. Think about it, when you turn on the tv at night, network tv is filled with pro-law enforcement shows. You never see pro banker or pro teacher shows. As a result, we have a warped perception of what law enforcement officers are and what police work is. We fetishize the police just like we fetishize guns. It's unhealthy and it's preventing us from seeing how unbelievably bad our law enforcement is compared to the rest of the world.
The problem isn't a few bad apples. The problem is a system that creates a horrible environment for communities. Honestly, it creates an unhealthy environment for the police too. No one profession should have too much power and no accountability.
1. Neither political party wants to touch them. Democrats don't want to mess with unions and Republicans don't want to mess with their unholy alliance with law enforcement. It makes for poor politics to say that you're "going after law enforcement." It makes it too easy for opponents to smear you as "soft on crime."
2. Prosecutors don't want to touch them because they're working with them. They have to maintain those relationships.
3. Police unions have unprecedented power and control. They'll defend even the worst police officers. No one wants to screw up this gravy train.
4. We have an entire incentive structure for police to extort and brutalize certain communities. A police officer will never be tempted to police Holladay like he will Kearns or Rose Park. Why? Because there's no incentive to!
5. The qualifications for police are so ridiculously low, that we don't really have any filter or vetting system. So any adrenaline crazed junkie can get on the force. I really do think that law enforcement would benefit by requiring all officers to have 4 year college degrees. Just to vet out a certain segment of our population. I also feel like those who have graduated from college (GENERALLY NOT ALWAYS) have better people skills and critical thinking skills. Education is a positive force that severely lacks in law enforcement.
6. Finally, we have a media that fetishizes the police. Think about it, when you turn on the tv at night, network tv is filled with pro-law enforcement shows. You never see pro banker or pro teacher shows. As a result, we have a warped perception of what law enforcement officers are and what police work is. We fetishize the police just like we fetishize guns. It's unhealthy and it's preventing us from seeing how unbelievably bad our law enforcement is compared to the rest of the world.
The problem isn't a few bad apples. The problem is a system that creates a horrible environment for communities. Honestly, it creates an unhealthy environment for the police too. No one profession should have too much power and no accountability.
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