Trade for Ben Simmons

[jope]

perimeter defender isn't as valuable as paint defender.

Not sure I agree with this. Especially moving forward… teams are going to scheme for threes more and more. Small sample but I think if you replace gobert with Simmons straight up, we would have dominated that clippers series.

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[SteakNEggs]

He is a huge liability in the playoffs. Even worse than Rudy.

People just got done complaining about how you can't win with Rudy in the playoffs and now want a guy even more limited and unplayable in the playoffs.

Hell no. At least teams have to scheme to make Rudy less effective by playing small ball. Rudy is still effective against teams that don't go small.
Simmons is a liability against literally every team and every style. Sag off him and pack the paint. Foul him often as possible.
He has great defense but as I said in another post, there is no such thing as a shutdown peremiter defender in today's nba. The rules and the officiating simply favor the offense too much and offensive players are just too good/skilled.

A defense only perimeter player just isn't that valuable anymore imo.

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"Sag off him and pack the paint". Imagine that concept in Quins offense. DM and our outside shooters(if we still have Inlges, Bojan, or Clarkson) would make a living off of that. Teams would not be able to pack the paint and in return Ben could penetrate and get to his spots and dish out assist or get an easy 2.

 

[NAOS]

This idea is so lol

 

[trentban22]

I can’t advocate for trading for someone as mentally fragile as Simmons. He has no desire to improve-he’s actually gotten worse on offense since he’s been in the league. The guy passed up an open dunk because he was afraid he’d get fouled and have to shoot a free throw. Sixers fans are ripping him a new one for a good reason.

lol look at Embiid's reaction.

Simmons playing the 5 would be pretty crazy with shooters. But yeah the total package of Simmons is just a no no.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yall have gone off the deep end.

 

[enchilada_style]

Wtf is going on here


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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Not sure I agree with this. Especially moving forward… teams are going to scheme for threes more and more. Small sample but I think if you replace gobert with Simmons straight up, we would have dominated that clippers series.

No we wouldnt lmao.

Is the Gobert model flawed? Yes.

Can you just replace Gobert with anyone and improve for "Playoff Defense"? No, not even Ben SImmons.

If you want to replace Gobert and go to a more modern switching defense, you have to replace nearly EVERYONE on the Jazz roster. You have to get perimeter defenders who can actually defend so you can execute those schemes. The whole idea behind this season was Gobert could cover for everyone. That worked great in the regular season, and less so in the playoffs. The Jazz dont have to completely abandon that model. They just have to tweak it back to valuing perimeter defenders more.

 

[LoPo]

This whole concept is a head scratcher really, but hypothetically, if we replaced Rudy with Ben, I do think we get better at matching up with a team like the Clippers.

I would have concerns matching up with Milwaukee, the Lakers and Denver though.

Embiid with Simmons was just never going to work. If you put 4 shooters around Embiid, he's damn near unstoppable.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'd make this trade. But only because we would be the favorites for ROY.

Think about how awesome it would be to trade for a guy who was runner up in DPOY this year and rookie of the year next year.

 

[fishonjazz]

"Sag off him and pack the paint". Imagine that concept in Quins offense. DM and our outside shooters(if we still have Inlges, Bojan, or Clarkson) would make a living off of that. Teams would not be able to pack the paint and in return Ben could penetrate and get to his spots and dish out assist or get an easy 2.

Oh you thought I said sag off everyone.
No I said sag off him. Pack the paint with his guy plus our big that's already in the paint.

I'd sag off Ben so he can't penetrate. If he can't penetrate then he has nothing. If does end up penetrating still then foul him lol.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

In the last 24 hours we’ve suggested trading for Ben Simmons and Gordon Hayward. Dark days.

 

[NAOS]

Those three would only be 95M of cap and we’d be close to the 136M luxury tax with everyone else. It’s not that hard to fathom. Just think of combining Clarkson/Royce/Ingles into one salary.

If you believe in Simmons you have those three locked up for 3-4 years and you go for it.

“Believe” is really an interesting word to use here. I mean, it’s almost the kind of scenario where you need to ignore the fact that there’s no EVIDENCE that Simmons can help you win the most important games, and just say “**** it, I believe there is a humanoid-like creator of the universe... I believe there’s a heaven and a hell... why not believe that Ben Simmons plays winning basketball?”