LoPo
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I agree. We have time before this should be more than just speculation.I'm not concerned about anything for a few years. I don't know why anyone would be.
I agree. We have time before this should be more than just speculation.I'm not concerned about anything for a few years. I don't know why anyone would be.
I don't think there's any question anywhere that this is Donovan's team. If there was any question, it was answered in the god damn Clippers series.As long as Don is getting paid as much as possible, he's taking care of #1. He's gotten endorsements well ahead of most other good players.
I've been thinking this for a while, but Rudy is the question mark. I think they just make it work. If Don had his choice, I think he would want to be the focus. If he is given 3 or 4 years as "the man" for Utah, I think he would be fine staying long term. If he continues to battle with Rudy for the team's focus, I think he could leave for a chance to be the focus.
Been thinking about the former a lot. Also fantasizing about making Sam Presti team president or whatever title and pay that would coax him away from OKC (though I'm sure that would've happened by now if it was going to).
Also... I'm real tepid on Q. Every coach has their warts, but at least a Rick Carlisle would come with a new perspective.
Oh for sure. I'm just saying he's not gonna push himself out in the next few years. I've already kinda resigned myself to the Jazz continuing to botch this and Donovan's gone when the window approaches.the concern now is that the case to keep him around is like right now. If you wait until the year of free agency to make changes that are long overdue or try to cram in a few things right before he makes a decision it likely is too late... the Gordan Hayward issue but this time with a real bonafide star.
It should be his team, but it's Rudy's team. The table is set around him.I don't think there's any question anywhere that this is Donovan's team. If there was any question, it was answered in the god damn Clippers series.
It should be his team, but it's Rudy's team. The table is set around him.
If in the offseason, we S&T Conley and position DM to play PG, then I'll think differently.
I get I’m a random poster. I read a lot on here and rarely post. I don’t know when Donovan will decide he’s going to leave, but I’d bet it’s within the next couple years. The team being a big winner is possibly the only think that’s has a prayer of keeping him long term and even then, my understanding would be it’s much more the place than the Jazz that he hates which makes it far more difficult to keep him around very long.Oh for sure. I'm just saying he's not gonna push himself out in the next few years. I've already kinda resigned myself to the Jazz continuing to botch this and Donovan's gone when the window approaches.
I have no reason to know whether or not I should believe your source, because I have no idea who you are, who your source is, or if you even have a source or are just trying to get a rise.You can believe my source or not, but don’t imply I’m that guy ha.
I agree that it should be, but nothing has ever been said or arranged or stated that tells me the Utah Jazz is Donovan's team.It is Donovan’s team. If the front office is forced to trade either one it would be Rudy.
For sure, and I’m a big Jazz fan and love the team and I get just coming on here and dropping that is questionable, so to those questioning me I would simply say the last thing I’d want is Donovan not in this state or as a part of this franchise, I think he’s good for everything here in so many ways. I would just say to those questioning me that you can believe me or you don’t have to, but what I posted is far from what I want to be true.I have no reason to know whether or not I should believe your source, because I have no idea who you are, who your source is, or if you even have a source or are just trying to get a rise.
It wouldn’t surprise me though to hear that an African-American kid from the east coast doesn’t love living in Utah.
I don't live in Utah anymore so his engagement is pretty hard to observe from outside the community, but that's an interesting observationThe place and people. I don’t think he has major issues with the organization.
I mean sure he does, but you have to consider as a fan you probably only have a couple more seasons left of him on the team. That’s just my opinion. And as for being active in the community, have you noticed how that has got less and less? His first 2 years were golden, he laid it on thick I agree.
If you’d like to send me a private message you’re welcome to.
Yes and no... I think the team is built around both guys. Mike helps Donovan and the Clips series showed how Donovan needs other playmakers around him. If they blitz and double you have to have other guys.It should be his team, but it's Rudy's team. The table is set around him.
If in the offseason, we S&T Conley and position DM to play more PG, then I'll think differently.
Nah I prefer he stick around like dame. I like Mitchell a lotI would prefer he demanded a trade, as we all should.
I just don't see that.Yes and no... I think the team is built around both guys. Mike helps Donovan and the Clips series showed how Donovan needs other playmakers around him. If they blitz and double you have to have other guys.
Ideally that would be a wing but that's like the hardest thing to find. RoCo went for two firsts and he can't even dribble a basketball. I think Mike helps Rudy a lot but he also helps all the others. The rest of the guys feed into both Rudy and Don's strengths... Bojan with his shooting and Royce as a low usage defender.
The issue to me at this point is we are way capped out. Rudy is going to have his playoff limitations. You might be able to work around them but it requires getting other supporting players that are flexible. If Rudy guards the perimeter and the rest of the defenders are good I have a hard time seeing the big benefit of having Rudy on the court. If rudy stays in the middle we give open three pointers? Now that he is locked in to a bigger deal and we don't have a low Donovan cap number that flexibility gets even harder to find... so now magically we find it?
I just have a hard time seeing us get what we need without moving Rudy... I have an equally hard time seeing how we get better if we move Rudy for other pieces... I would have thought Quin/DL would have an answer for 5-out or shooting 5s by now since it has been an issue for 4-5 years... so I am thinking there is no answer. So do you throw out "really good" for a small chance at "better" but most likely "worse but different"?
He will also have the benefit of seeing how Dame and Beal stayed on a treadmill too long and Dame may even say "homie... loyalty is good but take care of number 1"
I won't blame him for asking out or leaving... just want honesty throughout and hope he cooperates to get us something back if he does leave. I doubt it hurts his image to ask out of Utah... most would be saying its about damn time. I will likely re-assess my fanhood at that point. Not that the person is flawed but the model is no fun.
Favs - I'll give you that but I also think he was brought in because he has a relationship with Rudy and Don and can help with that side of things.I just don't see that.
The last 4 main additions to this roster:
Favors - brought in to back up Rudy so we can continue to play Rudy style ball when Rudy sits
Clarkson - shoot first small guard who isn't a good defender. This addition helped the team, but he isn't a good fit on the floor with Don at all.
Bojan - I can see this a move that helps both Rudy and Don. But he was brought in more because Favors didn't space for Rudy but Bojan would.
Conley - he's a ball dominant PG who was never a spot up shooter. He's not a good defender anymore and he's small.
We haven't made a single move that was a clear - let's build around Don. We haven't gotten a wing defender who helps preserve Don for the offensive end. There are a few things that we could do to make his life easier and we never did. But we have for Rudy.