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Saint Cy of JFC said:
I mean, none of those guys are huge misses for the Jazz. Maybe McDaniels/Hampton/Bane explode one day, but none of the other guys are really going to be misses we talk about 4 years from now.

Guys like Jaden Springer and Josh Christopher might be available at 30. That's pretty insane and both fit what the Jazz need out of a backcourt mate for Mitchell (in lieu of being able to grab a high level lead ball handler).

And I'm still holding out of hope for Elijah Hughes as Dennis Lindsey last masterstroke.

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I'm a weirdo so I definitely do the "what if we had just taken Derrick White or Josh Hart?" I just thinking finding a guy that flashed something would greatly improve our situation... either by providing a cheap role player or by giving us a valuable trade chip. Udoka isn't worth much of anything in trade... Bane and McDaniels I think are worth more now than the pick was on draft night. Plus getting that guy in the pipeline and year further down the road would have been great given our tight timeframe. Like with Bane... last year maybe he's the 9th or 10th man for us but can move up further in the hierarchy because of performance. Udoka is still at square one.

I haven't really watched much college this year... the guys you mention are interesting I think Springer ends up closer to the lotto but that's purely based on mock draft nonsense. I'd be fine with either of those guys. We likely take Day'ron Sharpe or draft someone I like only to move back or out of the draft (putting a reverse jinx on this).
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm a weirdo so I definitely do the "what if we had just taken Derrick White or Josh Hart?" I just thinking finding a guy that flashed something would greatly improve our situation... either by providing a cheap role player or by giving us a valuable trade chip. Udoka isn't worth much of anything in trade... Bane and McDaniels I think are worth more now than the pick was on draft night. Plus getting that guy in the pipeline and year further down the road would have been great given our tight timeframe. Like with Bane... last year maybe he's the 9th or 10th man for us but can move up further in the hierarchy because of performance. Udoka is still at square one.

I haven't really watched much college this year... the guys you mention are interesting I think Springer ends up closer to the lotto but that's purely based on mock draft nonsense. I'd be fine with either of those guys. We likely take Day'ron Sharpe or draft someone I like only to move back or out of the draft (putting a reverse jinx on this).
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I think it's pretty safe to say Utah wont be drafting a traditional big this year.
 
"I wouldn't have added an all-star to our team for the cost of a couple of back end rotation players and late first round picks, and I would also trade one of our best players for Kyle Kuzma" is the strangest armchair GM flex
 
It's been a hot minute since we had a rookie really contribute to the team in any meaningful way (basically since DM).

I just really hope this FO can get more athletic and some more flexibility to go small without sacrificing defense.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
So we trading a 20 ppg scorer to move up a few spots in a draft?

Jazz really can't afford to trade up. If they are trading Bogey, they need to extract all that value in player assets who can help them win now, not for a future guy (unless you are absolutely positive you're drafting your next Gobert/Mitchell).
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Obviously it would only be for a guy they think can be the next Mitchell or Gobert.
 
The Jazz have had a habit of drafting older players with the idea that they're more ready to contribute. But then those rookies don't really play in their first or second season anyway, which means the Jazz could have developed a younger, more talented player instead.

For example, Grayson Allen was older and more "ready to contribute" than Anfernee Simons and Gary Trent Jr., but in reality he didn't actually contribute more in his first few seasons than those other guys. Dok and Hughes didn't play at all last this year.
 
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
"I wouldn't have added an all-star to our team for the cost of a couple of back end rotation players and late first round picks, and I would also trade one of our best players for Kyle Kuzma" is the strangest armchair GM flex
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You better hope like hell he comes back or gets us something in a trade. Because if he doesn't, you have zero authority to chastise people like you do around here.

If your bragging rights for Conley only rest on that career achievement all star appearance....

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LoPo said:
You better hope like hell he comes back or gets us something in a trade. Because if he doesn't, you have zero authority to chastise people like you do around here.

If your bragging rights for Conley only rest on that career achievement all star appearance....

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The guys we sent out -- Grayson Allen, Jae Crowder, and the guys who could have been picked--Darius Bazley, Brandon Clarke, haven't done that much.
 
LoPo said:
You better hope like hell he comes back or gets us something in a trade. Because if he doesn't, you have zero authority to chastise people like you do around here.

If your bragging rights for Conley only rest on that career achievement all star appearance....

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If he leaves or not, the process was sound. You put your chips in and play to win. The Jazz underpaid for an All-Star level player. You don't play to forever wait for the next year. The Jazz had their best shot since Stockton/Malone to win it all and injuries ****ed them hard. It sucks but it is what it is. To say they shouldnt have done the trade because of that is ludicrous. The only mistake is that they didnt do it sooner.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
The guys we sent out -- Grayson Allen, Jae Crowder, and the guys who could have been picked--Darius Bazley, Brandon Clarke, haven't done that much.
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The pick next year needs to be included there. There was also an opportunity cost with some of the cap space we could have cleared.

Not saying it was or wasn't worth it... just saying you've only presented part of the cost.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The Jazz underpaid for an All-Star level player.
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The Jazz overpaid for a player who wasn't All-Star level. We made him All-Star level. Without riding the coattails of Don and Rudy and a respectable career, he was never going to be an All-Star. So you can't say we paid that much for an All-Star level player.

I agree that we needed to make a strong play, but Conley wasn't the right play. Spend more and get Jrue. Get a player that actually makes sense next to Don in the playoffs.

The Conley trade was a mistake. If he stays, he can salvage some. If he doesn't, it's a catastrophe.
 
LoPo said:
So the last time you were right about something was 4 years ago. Sounds about right.

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I was also right about Conley coming back strong and having a monster year after you were capping to trade him for crumbs...

I'll probably continue to be more right than wrong when it comes to NBA draft stuff. Jalen Harris was my big call last draft and he scored 31 points in the final game of the year.

Oh look I called the what the Mitchell pick was perfectly before he even played a game.



Oh look I described a perfect draft in the case that Mitchell wasnt able to be picked.

 
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