Voter Suppression and Why The Republicans Love It So Much?

[One Brow]

That isn't Democratic Socialism. The Nordic countries are Social Democracies.

Perhaps you can name a country that uses democratic socialism that is not a social democracy?

For that matter, perhaps you can explain the random capitalization? That a common trademarks of kooks, so you should probably avoid them.

They have stock markets and big business. It is just a quirk of translation that reverses the words in their native language, but if you like what the Nordic countries are doing then you are a fan of capitalism with lower corporate taxes than the US currently has. Their personal tax curves are also a lot more flat than ours, with their poor paying more in taxes than our poor.

Who ever said I was not a fan of capitalism?

 

[One Brow]

More and more people are catching on. We’re dealing with a fascist movement that is setting itself up to take over the house in 22 via gerrymandering and winning the 2024 presidential election regardless of the voting results.

More gerrymandered than 2012? How much more than they realistically squeeze out?

https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/data/apportionment/apportionment-2020-tableD.pdf

I count 3 seats added in Democratic states and 4 seats added in Republican states. I also count 3 seats lost in Democratic states and 4 seats lost in Republican states.

 

[Deleted member 365]

More gerrymandered than 2012? How much more than they realistically squeeze out?

https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/data/apportionment/apportionment-2020-tableD.pdf

I count 3 seats added in Democratic states and 4 seats added in Republican states. I also count 3 seats lost in Democratic states and 4 seats lost in Republican states.

The thread above.

Wasserman is one of the nation’s top experts on this. He believes Florida alone could gerrymander the GOP nearly back to the majority. I would expect other states, like Georgia and Arizona to follow Florida’s example.

Republicans can win the next elections through gerrymandering alone | David Daley

Even if voting patterns remain the same, Republicans could still win more seats in Congress through redistricting

www.theguardian.com

From what I’m reading, Democrats would have to counter to gerrymander a few states themselves AND flip tossup seats like in Utah (Owens). A tall order for a midterm election where a Democrat resides in the White House.

I believe the advantage for the Dems is currently +9 right? Florida will most likely add between 2-5 R seats. Not sure about Texas, Georgia, and Arizona. I’m also unsure about New York and Oregon, I believe they’re some of the few blue states which don’t have indep commissions drawing up maps.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Actually, it uses the Electoral College to reinforce the popular vote.


I reconcile it by remembering that the Constitution does not allow for the direct election of a President, unlike all the local offices.

Yes. Exactly 100% correct, but I don't see an incongruence in your position. You're consistent. I think we're opposite but it is fine because I get where you are coming from. If you think the popular vote should carry the election then I can understand that. If you think localities in under-populated areas should have their voices protected from being overruled then I can understand that too, but I don't see how to hold both of those as the most important at the same time.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Perhaps you can name a country that uses democratic socialism that is not a social democracy?

I actually can't name a single country that is a democratic socialist country. Venezuela was probably the closest recently but even they have backed off somewhat.

Who ever said I was not a fan of capitalism?

I never said you were, never even intended to imply it. Typically I try to stay well clear of saying people I'm talking with are this or that. It is hard enough to keep people talking about ideas. Everyone seems inclined to take everything personally these days and so I do what I can to defuse and walk a bit lightly around those who are extra passionate about their belief structures.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Rip the essay to shreds. Be as scathing as you wish in your critique. I’m not required to explain why I find that same essay of value.

True and fair enough.

 

[One Brow]

From what I’m reading, Democrats would have to counter to gerrymander a few states themselves AND flip tossup seats like in Utah (Owens). A tall order for a midterm election where a Democrat resides in the White House.

I believe the advantage for the Dems is currently +9 right? Florida will most likely add between 2-5 R seats. Not sure about Texas, Georgia, and Arizona. I’m also unsure about New York and Oregon, I believe they’re some of the few blue states which don’t have indep commissions drawing up maps.

I expect there will be gerrymandering on both sides, and that it really won't be that easy to up the number of seats for either party.

 

[One Brow]

I never said you were, never even intended to imply it. Typically I try to stay well clear of saying people I'm talking with are this or that. It is hard enough to keep people talking about ideas. Everyone seems inclined to take everything personally these days and so I do what I can to defuse and walk a bit lightly around those who are extra passionate about their belief structures.

Fair enough, and I didn't take it personally.

I hope this doesn't come across as being too critical, but the one thing I would like to see is that sometimes you seem to focus on categories to define phenomena, rather the than phenomena defining the categories, which can give your posts an artificial flavor and come across as being more prescriptive than descriptive.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Simple yes or no ..

You think the lawmakers illegally fleeing Texas on a plane with no mask(covid right Qhiller?) had to show id to board that plain?

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Simple yes or no ..

You think the lawmakers illegally fleeing Texas on a plane with no mask(covid right Qhiller?) had to show id to board that plain?

No. I don't know for sure, but probably not. Their plane was chartered. The bus they were on likely drove them right up to the stairs on the plane.

 

[JazzyFresh]

No. I don't know for sure, but probably not. Their plane was chartered. The bus they were on likely drove them right up to thE stairs on the plane.

Bus driver needed an ID. Ok, what about for you and I? What about for the beer? Is it racist to Id people "up to 32"(as signs at liquor store say)for beer?

 

[JazzyFresh]

And remember hypocrites... Mask are for Republicans and kids 3 and up ONLY! Not some criminals flying a private jet, using tax payer money, living lavishly eating airport salads, drinking cheap beer. I'm told covid is the biggest issue ever by Qhiller the king of hypocrisy. These privileged *** people are simply using black people for a fun vacation thus the smiles and beer. All smiles, free vacation, free beer, free flights, free food, all because "they are helping". Look how serious they are about this issue... Beer....

#usingblacksforvacations